
11-20-2009 12:50 PM
Now, I don't have some crazy good KDR but there are some things that I know that can help some of you newer players get adjusted to life in the big leagues (blue servers).
This is more or less a lengthy response to this thread:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/
If you are going to play Warhawk I recommend that you play it with the intention of completing it 100% which means learning how to use all weapons and vehicles appropriately.
LEARNING THE GAME:
My first suggestion is to become a sniper. When I first picked up this game I had the hardest time getting used to the speed in which Warhawk's intense combat conducted itself. During baserapes I would spastically run around homebase picking up weapons like rifles and grenades just to get TOWd so hard my body would end up under the map. (true story) For the first 100 hours or so of gameplay I didn't even know that the rifle had an Auto-Lock feature.. ![]()
Because of this, I started sniping. This means using both the sniper rifle and the binocs as frequently as possible. I found that I could hide myself in spots which protected my vulnerability as a noob. I think it was probably the best decision I made as a new player. Through a scope you will see many remarkable things. The most important advantage, as you make your way towards achieving your Warhawk Sniper Badge, is that you learn how OTHER people play this game. You learn what ladders to watch, which planes to damage and the general layout of how the enemy is advancing (how many people are spawing at each base). No matter the map or game mode, as long as you pay attention, you will learn what is safe to do and what will get you killed. Don't just snipe for yourself though.
Keep a team oriented perspective and alway watch out for:
*flag carriers
*mines
*airmines
*people who sit around base poles trying to steal territory
*other snipers
With sniping ALONE I transformed my KDR from a 1.18 to a 1.76 (the highest KDR I've achieved). This isn't a particulary high KDR but the result is that I enjoy the majority of my games because I was able to kill more than I am killed.
Unless you get really good with a sniper rifle, I would suggest avoiding ZONES. You will not be as much of an effective Team Player in this mode. Stick to CTF and TDM. Do this and I guarantee that by the time you have achieved your Warhawk Sniper Badge, you will be versed enough in the basic pattern of combat Warhawk has to offer to successfully assess each situation as it comes to you during fast gameplay and react accordingly.
Where you go from here is up to you but I would encourage you New Guys/Gals to focus on each weapon at time. You'll probably die a lot during the course of this adventure but the point is to learn what works and what doesn't work for certain locations/scenerios. By focusing on each particular weapon at a time, you've eliminated the confusion about what to do next when encountering an enemy. One less decision you have to make increases your reaction time and thus makes you more efficient and stronger.
MINES:
Get them and use them. Nothing balances a failing KDR like 4 extra mine kills. Mines could be the difference between having a good KDR and getting the Distinguished Assault ribbon. Use them on sandbags. Make sure that you place them so that the lazer line points horizontally instead of vertically (straight up and down). This makes them harder to see by passing jeeps and troops.
DO:
Place mines around corners from pickups
Place mines where people like to jump down from an upper level
Place mines in rocky areas or sandbags and boxes around Flags
Place mines on the skinny part of a base pole (upper part: kills incoming Warhawks who want to steal your base)
Place mines UNDER vehicles
DO NOT:
Place mines in the open, in the middle of the road
Place mines ON vehicles (your team-mates may need to steal a vehicle for a quick escape)
Place two or more mines directly on top of each other
WARHAWKS:
Try spending a few rounds not caring about being offensive. Don't worry about getting kills at all. Instead, fly outnumbered and spend all your energy on learning how to dodge. I know this sounds dumb but while sometimes the best defense is a good offense, other times its the other way around. Flying defensively means learning how to outlast your opponents. Weapons aren't infinite and the enemy knows that pick ups are essential if they want to kill you quickly and without MGs. Fly around and steal pickups like LG and Homing while dodging as much as possible. Once you feel comfortable dodging a succession of 15 + swarms and even some Homing shots you'll notice how much you've improved.
Do not steal warhawks from your team. If you get into a Warhawk make sure your sole intention is to fly, either as a budding ACE or as just a distraction. Do not fly your team's warhawks into the enemy base and leave them. When you hurt your team like that, you end up hurting yourself. This is the #1 mistake I see new players making as they scramble to capture flags.
11-20-2009 10:37 AM
11-20-2009 10:41 AM
^ Please post something relevant for once in your life.
@ Order... I would recommend tanking as a new players first option. One hit kills and many ways to survive when you add in bailing and wrenching. You'll likely also earn more points and be more of a contribution to your team.
11-20-2009 10:42 AM
Nicely done, Order.
I would like to add that new players (and probably old players) shouldn't worry about their KDR. It is a nice way to measure your progress, but the learning curve of the game is steep. If you worry too much about your KDR, you are likely to hurt your team by not assisting in pursuing important objectives like capturing/defending the flag or cores, or taking zones. However, KDR is absolutely relevant in TDM where the goal is to kill them more than they kill you.
Sniping as an introduction to the game is actually a good and creative suggestion, so long as the new players keep in mind the team objectives as you suggest. If there are one or two people already sniping for your team, you should probably find something else to do so that the team isn't shorthanded in other areas. On some maps, a team may be better off without anyone dedicating themselves to sniping (Vaporfield, Badlands, e.g.). In any event, communication is key: ask your team if anyone needs help. As a new player, you can add value by assisting more experienced players with taks like taking or defending a key base.
11-20-2009 11:11 AM
@ Adam: Tanking is good but it still involves players in a more hectic form of gameplay. It makes you an easy target for Generals who are working on their A2G badges and players like RMT who are looking for as much bang for their buck when using Binocs. Snipers are only generally targeted by other snipers and victims of sniper kills. A good sniper also learns how to use the entirety of the map over time, a benefit that isn't shared by a tank.
@ Chemical Groom: Vaporfield is definitely not a good sniping map (although there are some pretty amazing locations to snipe from that few people use) but Badlands is actually a PERFECT map for following my tactics. With two Binoc spawns in the middle accompanied by two Sniper spawns, Badlands is set up in such a way that defending and taking bases on either side of Center becomes a great learning opportunity for either of these two weapons. As far as KDR goes, unless your job is a Flag Carrier KDR MATTERS! If you aren't killing, then you aren't stopping enemy advancement. Sure there are scenerios where you can stop advancement AND die but you'll most likely succeed as a team if everyone is coming out on top of their personal battles.
@ Brainzy: I would platinum Dead Space if your hippy ass would send it back to me.
11-20-2009 11:28 AM
I was running flags in rookie FCTF when I was a noob
I discovered it on accident before I knew how to tell the difference between ranked and unranked all I knew was I ranked up in green servers I spent the whole round camping on Archie and got like 200 points
After I figured out the whole flag in a plane thing was not a glitch I started flag running which destroyed my KDR but I was happy with massive amount of points
Unfortunately due to noob pounders newbies no longer have a rookie FCTF to get them ready for the blue server
11-20-2009 01:25 PM
11-20-2009 05:49 PM
11-20-2009 05:55 PM
Brainzy wrote:
ADAM YOURE A TOOL
11-20-2009 06:10 PM
orderofelim wrote:@ Adam: Tanking is good but it still involves players in a more hectic form of gameplay. It makes you an easy target for Generals who are working on their A2G badges and players like RMT who are looking for as much bang for their buck when using Binocs. Snipers are only generally targeted by other snipers and victims of sniper kills. A good sniper also learns how to use the entirety of the map over time, a benefit that isn't shared by a tank.
@ Chemical Groom: Vaporfield is definitely not a good sniping map (although there are some pretty amazing locations to snipe from that few people use) but Badlands is actually a PERFECT map for following my tactics. With two Binoc spawns in the middle accompanied by two Sniper spawns, Badlands is set up in such a way that defending and taking bases on either side of Center becomes a great learning opportunity for either of these two weapons. As far as KDR goes, unless your job is a Flag Carrier KDR MATTERS! If you aren't killing, then you aren't stopping enemy advancement. Sure there are scenerios where you can stop advancement AND die but you'll most likely succeed as a team if everyone is coming out on top of their personal battles.
Tanking is a tempting place to start because it is relatively easy to get competent, but I agree that it is not a terribly productive place to develop as a player. Most dedicated tankers wind up trying to catch up in the air eventually.
I'm not convinced about sniping on Badlands. The only spots where you can see the whole (or most of) the map are on top of the cliffs, completely exposed to enemy air. Contrast IO, where you have the clouds and many good spots on mountains, AA where you have great bunkers and tree cover, Tau with all the obstacles, Eucadia with the rim of the canyon and the two high bases at either end, and DC with the high bases ringing the middle.
Leading new players to believe that KDR matters in the current game environment is just going to get them to throw their controllers through the picture window. Competition is too tough now for blue server noobs to put up a positive KDR while advancing the objective. From what I hear, this is also true in the rookie servers. As I've said before, a new player should work on getting good and understanding the different roles they can play for their team without focusing on stats.