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Re: Why is everyone hating on MP??

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Multiplayer can indeed and has before ruined a great single player game.

 

Case in point; Have any of you ever played Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain. Syphon Filter was one of my favorite games on the original Playstation. It had a great main character in Gabe Logan, good storylines, excellent gameplay and very well constructed environments and decent graphics for the PS1 era. After three Playstation games the series made the leap to the PS2. The gameplay was specifically designed for multiplayer online games. It was possible to play as a solo agent, yet the game was increasingly difficult. Certain areas were inaccessable without a second player, unlockables were impossible to get because you could never complete a mission within the defined parameters, you were ALWAYS out manned and out gunned forcing numerous restarts, and you could never achieve 100% completion because of the nature of the game's design. The Omega Strain's servers were shut down about before the launch of the PS3 because nobody was playing the game. 

 

If multiplayer is a seperate mode then I won't complain. If it's a "forced" mode then I'm not going to be happy in the least. No matter how you try to dress it up or laud it's virtues, the nano-second I see "Area Inaccessable. Second Player Required" I'm going to be PISSED. 


 

So your comparing Uncharted 2 to a bunch of games that probably most gamers have never heard about.

Uncharted 2 is a big PS3 exclusive and is developed by NG.

Do you think they will let the things you described happen in Uncharted 2?

The most funny thing is your example is actually a PS2 game. Time to move forward. The generation of PS2 passed a long long time ago.


Let me get this straight, you're on a Playstation.com message board and you're saying that the Syphon Filter series is something that "gamers have never heard about"? You really haven't been playing video games for very long have you? Talk about a short memory.

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as if the game you mentioned was just released lately.......

 

I might not play as many games as you did during the PS2 generation,but all I know is the multiplayer mode in many games this generation has given me a tons of fun.

 

I don't know if you can feel it,but im sure many gamers do love multiplayer a lot.

 

And if you look at GeOW2,Halo3,KZ2 and R2,does the addition of multiplayer literally screw up the SP of any of these games?

Uncharted 2 is just as big as these games,so I don't think a multiplayer mode can easily blow up the whole game.

 

 


Oh yeah I forgot, according to the young people "old= bad". I guess I should throw out all my Beatle records now, they don't fit in with the gamer aesthetic. Then again I don't buy into that propaganda. Never had, never will.

 

They love multiplayer because it's EASIER. Who doesn't like things that are "easy"? Think about it. No characters, no plot, no objectives, no subplot to keep track of, no puzzles, just KILL, KILL, KIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!!! All the  game modes are structurally the same, and there's little variation in the gameplay. 

 

It seems like nobody has the attention span to actually sit through a decent story. How many times have we heard complaints about Metal Gear Solid 4's cutscenes that are "too long"? Quite a few actually. It's indicative of the youth today and the ADD generation. They're used to instant gratification. Instant messaging, instant downloads, instant oatmeal, entertainment on demand, instant pop stars, American Idol, instant movie sequels, microwave ovens, overnight delivery, etc.

 

I find it ironic that in light of all this gamers actually want LONGER games and complain about short ones. There's no appreciation for "the adventure" any more. And that's what Uncharted did, it harkened back to a time where it wasn't about being there, but GETTING there. It seems however, that's too abstract a concept for many younger gamers to grasp these days. Maybe Uncharted asks too much of gamers to actually immerse themselves in this reality that they felt no choice but to add multiplayer. 

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It's a game.All people want is to have fun and your taking it too seriously.

If people want a good story,they should go read a novel instead.

If people want to watch some real actions or people acting,they should watch a movie.

We play games mainly to have fun.

 

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So games shouldn't have storylines to give the action context and we should just be happy to shoot ducks in a gallery on a carnival midway? 

 

That only says to me that Uncharted is over your head and it was too difficult to grasp for you.

 

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Simply put multiplayer is a drain of resources on the project.  Every man hour Naughty Dog puts into multiplayer is an hour lost to making the single player game better or even workable.  Naughty Dog has the clock ticking on finishing this game and now they have to worry about this part too?  That is why this hurts the single player game, it’s about allocation of resources and multiplayer is a drain on resources only. 

 

Ironic that two years ago Naughty Dog was adamant that they didn’t put multiplayer in because Uncharted was about story and that special focus on single player. 

 

Wow, talk about catering to the low end of the audience.  They don’t listen to the people who understood and appreciated the story and experience; no they listen to the people who blindly spew ideas like everything needs multiplayer or this is how you get GOTY.

 

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All Naughty Dog can do right now to the SP is polishing,coz it's most likely done already. Even if they put months into polishing it,you won't see a big difference and it's a waste of time.

so don't you think spending time to make multiplayer is a smarter use of time than simply polishing the SP?

 

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So games shouldn't have storylines to give the action context and we should just be happy to shoot ducks in a gallery on a carnival midway? 

 

That only says to me that Uncharted is over your head and it was too difficult to grasp for you.

 


 

I never say that.

If a SP doesn't have a story,it won't be fun to play.

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I really don't undertstand why you think multiplayer and single-player can't both exist in a game.

And people love multiplayer =/= they don't appreciate the story mode

adding the multiplayer mode =/= the SP will suck or be less epic

You guys really need to be more open-minded and have more rooms for acceptance.

 

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They love multiplayer because it's EASIER. Who doesn't like things that are "easy"? Think about it. No characters, no plot, no objectives, no subplot to keep track of, no puzzles, just KILL, KILL, KIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!!! All the  game modes are structurally the same, and there's little variation in the gameplay. 


Ah, don't say that. People like MP because they like a challenge with other human beings. If the opponents are good the MP is easier my butt.
Then no one here is supporting an MP only Uncharted 2. People are saying that the addition of the on-line gaming is a plus. What we don't understand is why someone should complain about it. Every studio has thousands of ways to screw up a sequel. And many times it happened. With or without adding the MP. For me the on-line will improve Uncharted. If Naughty Dog decided to add the MP it's because they thought that it could be a good move AND they have the resources to do so.

 

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Whoever said storyline isn't important, that is the dumbest remark ever. Uncharted 2 isn't supposed to be another lame and uninspired grindfest like typical mmorpgs if the first one was brilliant story-wise.

 

Now Naughty Dog better not force us to get trophies online because multiplayer, if it's online, should be an addition to the single-mode and not forced to play it if someone doesn't want to.

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Now Naughty Dog better not force us to get trophies online because multiplayer, if it's online, should be an addition to the single-mode and not forced to play it if someone doesn't want to.


What a silly thing to say. To get a platinum you have to completely destroy the whole game. Multiplayer and co-op will be part of the game, so there will be trophies for it. You can't just ignore trophies for multiplayer, because that will be a huge partof Uncharted 2. As long as they are obtainable and the platinum is under 30 hours then it's fine.

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They love multiplayer because it's EASIER. Who doesn't like things that are "easy"? Think about it. No characters, no plot, no objectives, no subplot to keep track of, no puzzles, just KILL, KILL, KIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!!! All the  game modes are structurally the same, and there's little variation in the gameplay. 


Ah, don't say that. People like MP because they like a challenge with other human beings. If the opponents are good the MP is easier my butt.
Then no one here is supporting an MP only Uncharted 2. People are saying that the addition of the on-line gaming is a plus. What we don't understand is why someone should complain about it. Every studio has thousands of ways to screw up a sequel. And many times it happened. With or without adding the MP. For me the on-line will improve Uncharted. If Naughty Dog decided to add the MP it's because they thought that it could be a good move AND they have the resources to do so.

 


Just becuase ND did it, its ok, and you would follow them wherever?

 

What if they were forced?

 

I don't mind if its a good MP and doesn't mess with the SP as some of you are so adamantly saying, but I can't help seeing all of the ways this could go wrong.

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Just becuase ND did it, its ok, and you would follow them wherever?

 

What if they were forced?

 

I don't mind if its a good MP and doesn't mess with the SP as some of you are so adamantly saying, but I can't help seeing all of the ways this could go wrong.


Well I put faith in Insomniac and they let me down by trying to do too much. But that's no reason to think Naughty Dog will do the same.

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