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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

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The only negative I could say is that the friendly AI has like once or twice been a bit slow to follow me and it felt like the enemy AI had seen them but they didn't react. This is good because the game doesn't technically punish you for what is the games own mistake. So in reality: It's just a bit of a hit on the immersion but nothing major. Like seriously, if that bothers you, you're weird xD.

Even in the E3 demo when Ellie comes into cover, you kinda see the bad guy look right at her. So it's nothing new. They are helpful as hell though and the game doesn't feel like an escort mission at all. It's lovely.

 

Also let me tease you by saying:
The intro of this game.. you won't see it coming.


So it's like Bioshock Infinite? Ellie is invisible?....or the AI is just dumb sometimes?

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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

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Aldro wrote:

The only negative I could say is that the friendly AI has like once or twice been a bit slow to follow me and it felt like the enemy AI had seen them but they didn't react. This is good because the game doesn't technically punish you for what is the games own mistake. So in reality: It's just a bit of a hit on the immersion but nothing major. Like seriously, if that bothers you, you're weird xD.

Even in the E3 demo when Ellie comes into cover, you kinda see the bad guy look right at her. So it's nothing new. They are helpful as hell though and the game doesn't feel like an escort mission at all. It's lovely.

 

Also let me tease you by saying:
The intro of this game.. you won't see it coming.


So it's like Bioshock Infinite? Ellie is invisible?....or the AI is just dumb sometimes?



No, you can see her.

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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

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studio35 wrote:

Aldro wrote:

The only negative I could say is that the friendly AI has like once or twice been a bit slow to follow me and it felt like the enemy AI had seen them but they didn't react. This is good because the game doesn't technically punish you for what is the games own mistake. So in reality: It's just a bit of a hit on the immersion but nothing major. Like seriously, if that bothers you, you're weird xD.

Even in the E3 demo when Ellie comes into cover, you kinda see the bad guy look right at her. So it's nothing new. They are helpful as hell though and the game doesn't feel like an escort mission at all. It's lovely.

 

Also let me tease you by saying:
The intro of this game.. you won't see it coming.


So it's like Bioshock Infinite? Ellie is invisible?....or the AI is just dumb sometimes?



No, you can see her.


So then the AI walks right past Ellie, they're just being dumb...

 

 

Im sorry, what is the point of this thread?

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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

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@Matt
Normal. Since I realised that the health of the enemies are the same and what only matters is the amount of pick ups you get + the amount of damage you can take: I felt like going with Normal.

It is rather easy to have a lot of bullets if you scavenge thoroughly. I currently have the standard one gun that has its max 22 bullets. And then the revolver at like 10 or so. I am mostly playing very carefully and using melee and stealth to make sure I don't use my supplies. From a supply perspective: I think playing on Hard would be more suitable for me. Because right now I am pretty much able to go guns blazing if I wanted to (atleast for like 2 or 3 scenarios then I am back to square 1). But yeah. I'm loving it!

Thanks, mate - that's what I am gonna be doing: going slow and really looking for items

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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

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Felt like I'd share this in a new topic too. No spoilers below, I simply discuss the AI =>

You can punch humans down and aim at them just like the E3 demo. They will beg for their lives and if you wait for a while or stop aiming, they will stand back up and rush you for a last attempt.

You can take hostages and everyone are all "Take it easy!"

You clean a room and two people come searching going all "I know you're here! Show yourself!"

The AI will flank you and surprise you constantly.

The only thing that I haven't seen that was in the E3 demo was the very last moment with the cutscene like play where one guy jumps on Joel, Ellie stabs him in the back, and it all seemingly blends.

But Ellie still does stab people in the back to save you when you're struggling which is pretty much the exact same thing.

The struggle tap square also create those mini cutscenes and the whole context sensitive melee gameplay is amazing. You can't counter as far as I can tell. But in midst of Square square square, the opponent might dodge, and THEN you are presented with the chance to block and push him back by the usage of Triangle.

In short =>
The AI is like the E3 demo from what I feel. And I am only 4 hours in. If you take your time and play the same scenario over and over, you will be able to capture some really amazing moments and eventually make your own "E3 video". It really feels like you're taking lives.


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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

studio35 wrote:

CharlieisKewl wrote:

studio35 wrote:

Aldro wrote:

The only negative I could say is that the friendly AI has like once or twice been a bit slow to follow me and it felt like the enemy AI had seen them but they didn't react. This is good because the game doesn't technically punish you for what is the games own mistake. So in reality: It's just a bit of a hit on the immersion but nothing major. Like seriously, if that bothers you, you're weird xD.

Even in the E3 demo when Ellie comes into cover, you kinda see the bad guy look right at her. So it's nothing new. They are helpful as hell though and the game doesn't feel like an escort mission at all. It's lovely.

 

Also let me tease you by saying:
The intro of this game.. you won't see it coming.


So it's like Bioshock Infinite? Ellie is invisible?....or the AI is just dumb sometimes?



No, you can see her.


So then the AI walks right past Ellie, they're just being dumb...

 

 

Im sorry, what is the point of this thread?


They made it so that the AI doesn't react to her if you're stealthing around because if they did then people would be **bleep** that she was getting them spotted.

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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

No one likes an escort mission...

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Re: The AI is phenomenal (I am 4 hours in, SPOILERFREE!)

Jun 7, 2013

studio35 wrote:

CharlieisKewl wrote:

studio35 wrote:

Aldro wrote:

The only negative I could say is that the friendly AI has like once or twice been a bit slow to follow me and it felt like the enemy AI had seen them but they didn't react. This is good because the game doesn't technically punish you for what is the games own mistake. So in reality: It's just a bit of a hit on the immersion but nothing major. Like seriously, if that bothers you, you're weird xD.

Even in the E3 demo when Ellie comes into cover, you kinda see the bad guy look right at her. So it's nothing new. They are helpful as hell though and the game doesn't feel like an escort mission at all. It's lovely.

 

Also let me tease you by saying:
The intro of this game.. you won't see it coming.


So it's like Bioshock Infinite? Ellie is invisible?....or the AI is just dumb sometimes?



No, you can see her.


So then the AI walks right past Ellie, they're just being dumb...

 

 

Im sorry, what is the point of this thread?


I can see you're running out of points to argue. Is this really that big of a deal? Aldro confirmed that the key things we saw at E3 were still in the game, and could be replicated if one knew the layout of the map and had experience with the controls.

 

The fact that our ally AI can appear to be invisible to enemy AI (for the sake of the game not feeling like an escort mission) might be a bit of an immersion breaker but is such a small aspect compared to everything else it seems to me that it would hardly take that much out of the core gameplay. IMO.

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Jun 7, 2013

dh0rmazine wrote:

studio35 wrote:

CharlieisKewl wrote:

studio35 wrote:

Aldro wrote:

The only negative I could say is that the friendly AI has like once or twice been a bit slow to follow me and it felt like the enemy AI had seen them but they didn't react. This is good because the game doesn't technically punish you for what is the games own mistake. So in reality: It's just a bit of a hit on the immersion but nothing major. Like seriously, if that bothers you, you're weird xD.

Even in the E3 demo when Ellie comes into cover, you kinda see the bad guy look right at her. So it's nothing new. They are helpful as hell though and the game doesn't feel like an escort mission at all. It's lovely.

 

Also let me tease you by saying:
The intro of this game.. you won't see it coming.


So it's like Bioshock Infinite? Ellie is invisible?....or the AI is just dumb sometimes?



No, you can see her.


So then the AI walks right past Ellie, they're just being dumb...

 

 

Im sorry, what is the point of this thread?


I can see you're running out of points to argue. Is this really that big of a deal? Aldro confirmed that the key things we saw at E3 were still in the game, and could be replicated if one knew the layout of the map and had experience with the controls.

 

The fact that our ally AI can appear to be invisible to enemy AI (for the sake of the game not feeling like an escort mission) might be a bit of an immersion breaker but is such a small aspect compared to everything else it seems to me that it would hardly take that much out of the core gameplay. IMO.


They have been arguing the same point for the last day... Guess they like escort missions 

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 Thanks a lot, Aldro - we do need more awesome board members like you here...

 

 

 

Thanks a lot - enjoy the game

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