ArabrockermanX wrote:
Hawk vs Hawk: Currently the air game is a disaster and this does have a direct impact on ground. A pilot being able to take on multiple opponents helps avoid situations where one team has 4-6 Hawks up and the other has 0. When this happens and the guys on the ground get ravaged it isn't a balance issue with ground vs air it is an issue with air vs air. In Warhawk 1 pilot(pro or normal) could stir up quite a bit of trouble if he/she knew what to do. Simply by hoarding the TOW that player could help a team escape the homebase. In SH 2 on 1 is near impossible thanks to the new tracking system, the inability to evade multiple swarm locks in all flights, and the destruction of close range air combat. This will create a perceived imbalance between air and ground when the reality is that the new flight system requires players to match enemy hawks 1 to 1 or face the consequences of losing half of the battle field. I'm not suggesting any fixes here because Southern Comfort already has a topic organizing suggestions from the community.
THIS. We need better scrubbing in all flight modes LBI. Not extremely easy, but I should be able to dodge 90% of what comes at me. When there's 4 hawks on my tail it shouldn't be a battle of attrition, or of patience, but one of skill. I should be able to dodge those swarms they're sending at me, but to turn around and hit them would make me break from dodging and make me vulnerable. In the previous installment of this game 4 pilots could send as many swarm missiles at me as they wanted, they'd never hit me. They'd need to send lightning or a tow missile my way. Swarm missiles should be used to finish up the job or to keep a pilot busy. Not as the main and only weapon.
Right now the homing missile sucks, and we need to be able to dodge more missiles....
Agree with everything op said, but the hawk vs hawk. I think many warhawk players want that same sense of invulnerability in the air. "it does not matter that 3 guys are after me, I can spin away from almost all of their missiles." I have said it before 1vs4 should end with 1 dead rather quickly. If one ground troop is against 4 ground troops, what should be the result? Should it take 5 minutes for that result to occur? What about 1 tank vs 4 tanks?
The solution for 4 hawks in the air is not invulnerability, it is for your team to get more hawks, BT, or RL.
I will not argue that the current scrubbing may be on the low side, but I think people are asking for a scrubbing ability similar to spinning in warhawk. This is not the answer.
mule-tool wrote:
Agree with everything op said, but the hawk vs hawk. I think many warhawk players want that same sense of invulnerability in the air. "it does not matter that 3 guys are after me, I can spin away from almost all of their missiles." I have said it before 1vs4 should end with 1 dead rather quickly. If one ground troop is against 4 ground troops, what should be the result? Should it take 5 minutes for that result to occur? What about 1 tank vs 4 tanks?
The solution for 4 hawks in the air is not invulnerability, it is for your team to get more hawks, BT, or RL.
I will not argue that the current scrubbing may be on the low side, but I think people are asking for a scrubbing ability similar to spinning in warhawk. This is not the answer.
See, here's what a lot of people aren't understanding about the outnumbered Hawk issue and what guys like Arab are trying to get across:
IF one guy, with the proper skills (his own, not the game skills) and experience cannot mess some guys up in the air, when outnumbered, create a little chaos, spread some confusion, and bait them to come after him, what uh... do you think the 4 in the air are going to do?
They're going to get bored real quick - and when they get bored, they aren't going to go to ground and rush you in a jeep or with an RPG - they are going to bomb your team back to the stoneage thus putting a base rape on them so hard they don't which way is up.
Then weaker pilots, even smooth bore idiots, are going to say, ohai, we have the air, lets join in on the fish in a barrel game! Then it quickly becomes 8 v 1 - or worse - I counted 13 v 1 one night (Obviously a WH server). And with nothing for the scavangers (the smooth bore idiots in the air) and the real mccoys (apex predators in the air) will find you and systematicly mop the floor with you.
Also, the ground comparison doesn't add up either. You ever played with any of the WAR! guys? They play with ground beast mode every game. 5-1 odds on the ground for those guys is party, not a challenge.
I understand this argument and I agree there should be room for a really good pilot to survive for a while when outnumbered. I guess my point is that the same dynamic that warhawk had was not the answer. One did not have to have immense skill to spin around the map for hours at a time. I sucked at normal flight and I would switch to this mode when outnumbered and be able to fly reasonably well 1vs3.
I suspect there are a lot of average pilots that consider themselves elite because of the ease of out spinning the opponent in warhawk.
What I would like to see is an average player can scrub 60% of missiles (I am just making these numbers up, but you get the point). A good pilot can scrub 75% and a elite pilot can scrub 85%. In warhawk the spread was probably 80% to 97% from average to elite (once again I am making numbers up). Everyone in warhawk could out spin their opponent, even players that honestly were not that good.
(and I am not trying to say that I was elite at all, heck Arabrocker says my numbers make me a noob 
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