Shooter General

[Execrate]

There is lag for sure I played with people who had no gun visible but shooting.

[GenSpall]

I think I am just hearing a lot of buyer's remorse.  I didn't buy it, I won't buy it.  I will not give Sony any more money until they give us a good Socom game.  If they don't, then I guess they are not going to get anymore of my money ever again.  No skin off of my back.

[Execrate]

I played it a couple hours and will get a couple more.  It is worth the price!

Bots in MP is lame.... Me vs bots when people are over  drinking/rocking out = good time.

Not supporting sony is not teh way to get what you want. Lots of you tried that with s4 and it got you nowhere.

[Lordmarshal]

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BATTLEFACE wrote:

You people have been going at this for how long now? You're all fighting over whose opinion is correct, constantly trying to make the other look like an idiot. Why not just meet at a neutral location and fight it out? I'd donate $5 dollars to see a streaming event. 

It's like watching MMA prefight interviews that never lead up to the actual fights. lol

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Exactly.... Its hard to tell who's the "troll".  Some of you including the person that wrote that article just dont get it....... CS is what it was, thats it ...and maybe some of you need better connections because I have been putting in a few hours a day and Im not experiencing the lag that some of you are complaining about.  Furthermore... I cant tell if I am getting random headshots or not......because I only aim for the head.

[Execrate]

If guys can walk around without guns and shoot random aka lag HS are not hard to believe.

If it effects everyone I don't care too much but it is there.

[oo7PorscheMGS]

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FROST_420 wrote:

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S_L_I_C_K wrote:

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oo7PorscheMGS wrote:

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S_L_I_C_K wrote:

yeah, hit detection looks pretty spot on to me.

so counter strike pros, what did this guy do wrong?

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I'm not a CS "pro" but I'm a hardcore and very competitive and smart gamer that knows it's wise to take notice / pay attention + take responsibility for when I am not playing PERFECTly... and to not blame the game right away and call the other team "cheaters" without any proof....  Instead, I first look at where I COULD have made a mistake or where my shot MIGHT have missed, somehow.   Someone else already responded to this, showing flaws in the video or reasons why he could have missed without the game having to be called "broken"... but here are even more ideas..........

1) Even though he wasn't MOVING (velocity) he was still turning while shooting.  Look at the top left if you need further PROOF of this.  Velocity is NOT the only thing that counts when you want accuracy.  You need your crossharis to be VERY steady in CS.

2) Lag.. it happens. Maybe it happened here.  It obviously depends on your connection and EVERYone has a lag spike ONCE in a while...

3) He was standing.. as someone else already mentioned.  So... standing AND slighting moving the right stick....put those two put together... and you might miss a shot you thought you should make.   Again, anyone who understands CS or other hardcore games will understand this.

4)  This video was in VERY SLOW motion.  If you watched this at fast speed, you'd be more inclined to believe that "yes, it's possible he just missed because he was moving just a second ago / he came to a quick stop and didn't bother to crouch to improve his chance or keep his crosshairs still for a second before he shot".   In the video YOU posted, it LOOKS like his crosshairs are 100% still.  That's only because it's in slow motion.  Once again, look at the top left, the numbers are right in front of you.  There are MANY factors in a game... not just the ones that someone "sees" when they lose a round and get angry.

I think those are enough reasons to put doubt in the theory that this game is "broken".... especially since MANY of us have NO problem with the game after we LEARNED how to play it right.   Now, answer MY question about the so called "PROOF" you have that S3 + CA's gun mechanics are broken, SLICK.............. and lets see what kind of "proof" you come up with there..............   I'm not going to go search youtube for random videos about S3 sucking.  Everyone knows there are lots of noobs online that will post videos every time they miss a shot and can't handle the truth of the fact that they just might have missed or not shot the guy enough times...  If you say you have proof, then YOU post it.

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there were not videos of people missing, they were in a controlled setting.  they were shooting at targets, there was no game going on in the background, they were weapons tests.  we used to have a community that did this sort of thing, everything was tested from how many rounds each gun took to drop you to how many seconds it took to get from one area to another.  there were tests showing how many rounds it took to drop someone from shooting their feet only to what happens when their gun is shot, we had tests shoing what happend from different angles, we had videos showing you didnt even have to have your cross hairs near a target to hit it.  everything was covered.  

you want to know what you get when you try and access those old threads?  i have about 20 of them bookmarked and they all say this  http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/SOCOM-3-US-Navy-Seals/4-20-2006/td-p/22192432?start=0&tstart=...

i guess i had something to do with those threads disapearing huh?  just covering my tracks?

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Still arguing with tools, oops I mean trolls? This troll just cried the loudest and now got all ur attention, just gif him already.

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Excuse me?  WHo are YOU?  You're calling ME a "Troll"?  For what?  Because I don't agree with your NARROW and UNEDUCATED point of view?   I gave FOUR VALID reasons why the video posted could be misleading and the gave even more solid reasons in my posts on page two of this thread why people complaining about CS being "laggy" or having "bad hit detection" COULD be and probably are wrong.

[oo7PorscheMGS]

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Execrate wrote:

There is lag for sure I played with people who had no gun visible but shooting.

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Been playing CS every night and my whole old socom clan has been doing the same.  Haven't seen that ONCE, and haven't heard anyone complaining about it except you.   COULD be true.. but again I'd like to see some real proof before I let you guys bash one of the best games out there.  Same goes for the guy in here who says the game has "bloom" mechanics.  CS does NOT have bloom.  Anyone who has shot at a wall in CS and SEEN where the bullets go KNOWS this... There is a DIFFERENCE between bullet spread and recoil, versus random "bloom".

And SLICK, I don't know what threads you're talking about and I don't remember many people complaining about S3 + CA being "Broken" excpet you now..... but as I said... regardless of what is posted on these forums.... from years of playing socom3, most of us socomers know that the mechanics of S3 + CA aren't "broken", even if they did add / change something about how accurate the guns shoot from S2 to S3.   As far as I and many others can tell, they obviously didn't change too much... because as I said, in socom 3 and CA I can still hit a guy and kill him quickly if I am my AG 94 at his head and shoot full auto even... and it's almost the same with the HK 36, IW 80, etc.  There's a difference between making guns A LITTLE less accurate by design maybe, and "zipper totally broke the shooting mechanics, they don't work at all, this game is trash!!!".  One is your opinion, and the OTHER is the TRUTH.

[Execrate]

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oo7PorscheMGS wrote:

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Execrate wrote:

There is lag for sure I played with people who had no gun visible but shooting.

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Been playing CS every night and my whole old socom clan has been doing the same.  Haven't seen that ONCE, and haven't heard anyone complaining about it except you.   COULD be true.. but again I'd like to see some real proof before I let you guys bash one of the best games out there.

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I am not bashing anything every game has problems and we are discussing them. I have it on video I will post when I get to it.

[FROST_420]

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oo7PorscheMGS wrote:

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FROST_420 wrote:

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S_L_I_C_K wrote:

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oo7PorscheMGS wrote:

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S_L_I_C_K wrote:

yeah, hit detection looks pretty spot on to me.

so counter strike pros, what did this guy do wrong?

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I'm not a CS "pro" but I'm a hardcore and very competitive and smart gamer that knows it's wise to take notice / pay attention + take responsibility for when I am not playing PERFECTly... and to not blame the game right away and call the other team "cheaters" without any proof....  Instead, I first look at where I COULD have made a mistake or where my shot MIGHT have missed, somehow.   Someone else already responded to this, showing flaws in the video or reasons why he could have missed without the game having to be called "broken"... but here are even more ideas..........

1) Even though he wasn't MOVING (velocity) he was still turning while shooting.  Look at the top left if you need further PROOF of this.  Velocity is NOT the only thing that counts when you want accuracy.  You need your crossharis to be VERY steady in CS.

2) Lag.. it happens. Maybe it happened here.  It obviously depends on your connection and EVERYone has a lag spike ONCE in a while...

3) He was standing.. as someone else already mentioned.  So... standing AND slighting moving the right stick....put those two put together... and you might miss a shot you thought you should make.   Again, anyone who understands CS or other hardcore games will understand this.

4)  This video was in VERY SLOW motion.  If you watched this at fast speed, you'd be more inclined to believe that "yes, it's possible he just missed because he was moving just a second ago / he came to a quick stop and didn't bother to crouch to improve his chance or keep his crosshairs still for a second before he shot".   In the video YOU posted, it LOOKS like his crosshairs are 100% still.  That's only because it's in slow motion.  Once again, look at the top left, the numbers are right in front of you.  There are MANY factors in a game... not just the ones that someone "sees" when they lose a round and get angry.

I think those are enough reasons to put doubt in the theory that this game is "broken".... especially since MANY of us have NO problem with the game after we LEARNED how to play it right.   Now, answer MY question about the so called "PROOF" you have that S3 + CA's gun mechanics are broken, SLICK.............. and lets see what kind of "proof" you come up with there..............   I'm not going to go search youtube for random videos about S3 sucking.  Everyone knows there are lots of noobs online that will post videos every time they miss a shot and can't handle the truth of the fact that they just might have missed or not shot the guy enough times...  If you say you have proof, then YOU post it.

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there were not videos of people missing, they were in a controlled setting.  they were shooting at targets, there was no game going on in the background, they were weapons tests.  we used to have a community that did this sort of thing, everything was tested from how many rounds each gun took to drop you to how many seconds it took to get from one area to another.  there were tests showing how many rounds it took to drop someone from shooting their feet only to what happens when their gun is shot, we had tests shoing what happend from different angles, we had videos showing you didnt even have to have your cross hairs near a target to hit it.  everything was covered.  

you want to know what you get when you try and access those old threads?  i have about 20 of them bookmarked and they all say this  http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/SOCOM-3-US-Navy-Seals/4-20-2006/td-p/22192432?start=0&tstart=...

i guess i had something to do with those threads disapearing huh?  just covering my tracks?

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Still arguing with tools, oops I mean trolls? This troll just cried the loudest and now got all ur attention, just gif him already.

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Excuse me?  WHo are YOU?  You're calling ME a "Troll"?  For what?  Because I don't agree with your NARROW and UNEDUCATED point of view?   I gave FOUR VALID reasons why the video posted could be misleading and the gave even more solid reasons in my posts on page two of this thread why people complaining about CS being "laggy" or having "bad hit detection" COULD be and probably are wrong.

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     "FOUR VALID reasons" ya all contrary to fact. "For what?" posting and reposting while yelling "pay attention to me!" like the little kids around here and for not being "a cs pro" or nothing but u'll tell us all about this game? I'm sorry but u just looked to be a troll on a high horse here defending a very sub-par game on the PS3. If u plan on carrying on like this then u'll just end up another xhappy, Mr. High and mighty. As for me i'm already done with tools like you.

[xSlappy]

Dont mind frost, he forgot this game came out in 1991 and only costs 15 dollars to buy, funny how people continue to bash the game yet they are in this thread all the time... Do you guys really have nothing better to do than argue about a game you dont even care about?

these guys complain about EVERYTHING, they complained when the forums got changed and then when they changed it back to lithium there was a thread complaining about the colors... one thing after the next you "guys" sound like a bunch of woman. Nobody wants to read a bunch of adults crying about a video game they dont play... end it already and grow the F up.