From an article on Kotaku.
Gamasutra's Paul Hyman has a gloom and doom look at the used games market and why publishers are very unhappy with the situation; the comments section is surprisingly lively, and it's worth a look.
While GameStop (the main player in the used game market) management declined to comment, but several industry types (like David Braben of Frontier) put in their two cents. On how the used game market is bad!!!!!! for the industry at large, Braben had this to say:
"... don't see anything from the used-game sales, which is one reason why the price of new games throughout the industry remains artificially high," he says. "I mean, the industry has to make all its money from the first sale since we don't get a penny from the subsequent dozen or so sales of that same game."
The used-game market may also be negatively affecting the quality of games, he notes. "Five years ago, a great game would have sold for a longer period of time than for a bad game — which was essentially our incentive to make great games."
"But no longer. Now publishers and developers just see revenue the initial few weeks regardless of the game's quality and then gamers start buying used copies which generates money that goes into GameStop's pocket, nobody else's."
I don't think that used games are the cause. They were around last gen and they didn't raise the price on games then. Cause of the price increase is the reason why I buy more used games this generation so far. I wish developers and Gamestop could come to an agreement. If not developers are probably going to go to unnessecary measures to try and put a dent in used games sales. We've already heard some small talk about it. Frankly as I said already I'm in full support of used games. Especially if prices on games stay like they are.Message Edited by NeonReaver on 12-14-2008 02:58 PM
GET SOME!! I agree 150%! I buy used games because sometimes I CANNOT AFFORD 59.99. Period. I have a family of 5 to support along with my digital entertainment hobby.
When I can "Buy 2 Get one free" I'm all over it!
Earlier this year I got Madden 09, COD 4, and Uncharted for under 100.00 used. DUH.... That would have ran me over 180.00 brand new. That's almost double the price!
Don't get me wrong though. 60% of my games I have bought new. When a triple A game comes out that is a MUST have I buy it right away. A few examples that are in my library are COD WAW, MLB 08 The Show, GTA IV, MGS4, Bioshock. These were MUST haves. I paid for them full price brand new the week they came out. But games like Uncharted, Rock band, Endwar, etc.. are better for me left in the bargain bin or on the used games shelf
Im somehow againts used games. First its true that gamestop is the only one making money selling used games.
They buy the games from you for a low price to only sell the game like 6 bucks away from a new one???
Thats messed up ish right there. I only buy used games when im low on money or if i really want the game which rarely happens anymore.
Good thread, certainly worth discussing. Of course the industry frowns on the used game market as it hurts their profit margins... too bad. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over EA not having a monumental year because of pre-played game stores. This is the nature of the market, much as it is with cd's, dvd's, clothing... anything really. Big business has to realize that not everyone in today's unstable economy can afford $60-$65 for a new game.. its that simple. Personaly, I applaud second hand gaming stores as they provide us with the opportunity to trade, buy and sell.. The only grief I have with shops like Gamestop or Eb games is that they take you for a ride in terms of what they give you for a used title... GREEDY. Again, great thread, thats just my two cents.
Gamespot will buy a game from you and sell it for over double that price I see that as a rip off for them to make easy money and for that reason i don't sell them my games. If a drop in the used game sales could cause a drop in the prices of new games i would be all for it. Used games are helping us as much as they are giving Gamestop easy money.
I really don't see where this loyalty to video game developers comes from. Really in any other buisness you wouldn't have people buying new because they were so considerate of the developers. The music industry has to deal with a completly uphill battle against so many people being able to get their music for free, and people buy used things all the time. If you can get a good discount on a game then it just doesn't make sense to pay more for the developer. Good games will sell well and bad games won't, one person doesn't make or break a company. Besides most of the games that end up on the used market quickly are the ones that are bad and there is no logical reason to support bad developers. If you wait longer and the used game is old then that company has probally sold enough copies to be satisfied.
As for people complaining about how much gamespot/eb games is a rip, of course they are going to sell it for more, how else would they make a profit? Pawn shops sell whatever you give them for more than you bought it for that is how selling used things works. It is about convience, if you don't want to put your stuff up for sale online yourself and go through all that effort you can just drop it off to your local gamespot. Besides they actually can give you decent prices for things, ex: before I bought my ps3 I had a wii and cod3. Recently I was looking to sell cod3 since I beat it and it was useless and I looked at how much the game was selling on ebay. THe average was about $15. I went to EB games and I got $20 for it. Really put in the effort and sell if for yourself if you are gonna complain about gamestop, they are making money off convience.
What I do not understand is if Gaming companies do not like Gamestop to sell used games, why are they offering them the DLC addons that are exclusive to the store?
For example LBP had the Kratos costume, World at War (COD) had that extra weapon, and etc. If gaming companies do not like used game stores, then why are they throwing the money to them to make sure customers buy from them in the first place?
I really do not understand that concept. The extra 10 dollars isnt much to me.
$$$ it increases sales for those companies that sell to Target, Walmart, Circuit City, Bestbuy, Gamecrazy, Gamestop, etc when they offer exclusive preorder bonuses for putting $5 down.
plus gamestop is getting their heads full
i sold them naruto uzumaki chronicles by mistake (i was supposed to sell em nemo)
they gave me 50 cents for it.
you sell a game as if it was junk then they sell it at a price comparable to a new one
i agree they should at least have some sort of royalty to the developers,
id be more willing to buy/sell used games if they did that, knowing more games will come to me sooner or late
If used games were the problem, they would have eliminated the problem back in the NES days 20 years ago. I'd say the problem is the amount of man hours that go into building a game. Look at Fallout 3, I've heard it took 4 years to make that game. Who knows how many people had a hand in making the game, I'd guess a couple hundred people. That is tens of thousands of man hours, if not more. That costs a lot of money. I got Final Fantasy 3 on Super Nintendo back when it first came out. I remember it was a 70 dollar game at first. Back then, it was the cost of the cartridge & hardware inside that cost so much. Now it's the game development it's self that costs the big bucks. I really don't see much of a change.
The biggest problem with this generation of games is the cost of the system. Not everyone can afford to go blow 300 - 500 bucks on a game consol. The new systems are so HD dependant, that you now have to look at a new game system as a really big investment. 300-500 dollar system + 1000 dollar TV, and most poeple will say, "I'll stick with my old games."
I had my PS3 on a 40" standand TV for the first year. The text in the OS & games was really hard to read. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was practically unplayable on a standard TV because I couldn't even see the cross hairs. Make the system & games work better on a standard TV, and the consol sales will go up. If the consol sales go up, so will the games.
Used games are not a source of price hikes of next gen games, the console makers are. With companies having to develop for two different types of consoles these days you have to expect an increase, Sony's Blu-Ray on the PS3 is a lot different than the DVD-ROM of the PS2, the Xbox360 runs DVD Rom based software as well so if a developer can get a game running on a PS2 then it stands to say it runs on the XBOX, but then that same developer has to put in extra manhours to get the same game running on the PS3 . I am a proud Sony PS3 owner, but when the Xbox 360 came out games still stayed around the same price range until the time the PS3 was announced to be launched. I am not beating up on Sony, they have been taking a beating enough already in the media, but dont blame Gamestop or any other place for reselling a game no one else wants to play. Apparently a market was there and still is and they are taking advantage of it . If the developers feel slighted, make games that people dont want to give up, but until that happens Gamestop will carry on.