For whatever it's worth, to presume that a 0% completion must mean the game is not worth playing or that it is a bad game, is a very dangerous and deceptive mistake. Point in case, the only 0% I have is Demon's Souls, and that is most certainly not a game not worth playing. In this particular instance, the lack of completion reflects only, what I believe was originally intended to reflect, that I absolutely suck at that game.
Now let me be clear. Despite my example, I don't necessarily think completion = skill is always the case. But that's exactly the point; there's several reasons why one would have 0%, and we must not go ahead and jump to conclusions.
And I too support the idea of being able to do away with 0% at one's own discretion.
Damagon123 wrote:
For whatever it's worth, to presume that a 0% completion must mean the game is not worth playing or that it is a bad game, is a very dangerous and deceptive mistake. Point in case, the only 0% I have is Demon's Souls, and that is most certainly not a game not worth playing. In this particular instance, the lack of completion reflects only, what I believe was originally intended to reflect, that I absolutely suck at that game.
Now let me be clear. Despite my example, I don't necessarily think completion = skill is always the case. But that's exactly the point; there's several reasons why one would have 0%, and we must not go ahead and jump to conclusions.
And I too support the idea of being able to do away with 0% at one's own discretion.
I agree with that for the most part. (I don't agree about Demons' Souls, but that's a different beast altogether ).
Overall to look at a person's completion and use that to judge a game's worth is really a major presumption on the part of the viewer. You could easily be correct, especially if you have several friends that share your tastes in a game and they all have 100% completion in a game you're interested in. There's more than a good chance that you too will enjoy it. But knowing that many people hunt Trophies regardless of whether they enjoyed the game or not, tells me nothing to be honest. Just because a lot of people have 100% doesn't mean I'll like the game myself.
To use Demons' Souls as the ongoing example. I know several people on the forums that share my tastes in games. Most hail it as a great game. I picked it up, spent several hours playing it, only to realize that it simply was not a game that I could find any redeeming quality to at all. It felt like all the worst Western RPG stereotypes were culled from the worst games, thrown into a pot, boiled until it became a tarry mess and then tossed out to the masses. Since it was produced by the East, it was hailed by the JRPG only crowd as an "awesome" experience. But I simply could not find any way to enjoy the game. Usually in an RPG there's something of a story within an hour or so.
On the other side of that, I have many games that are sitting between 40 and 75% completion. If you were to use that as a gauge as to a game's worth, you might skip the game. Yet I enjoyed those games quite a bit. But have no desire to go for the Trophies. Especially the online multi-player ones.
It is far better to ask for the opinion of the game than to use Trophies as a gauge. Trophies are not an accurate gauge of a game's worth.
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I'm in ranked 3367.
It's been 7 months since I created this thread and wrote my initial post. At the request of a friend of mine, I'm resurrecting the thread and adding my thoughts again.
7 months ago I went out on disability at my job. I might be going back to work tomorrow if my employer has anything for me within my restrictions. Since I initially wrote the topic, I've had 7 months to game almost as much as I want to. So has time changed my opinion any?
I now have 20 platinums. Since Jan 1, I've obtained the Platinum Trophy for: Final Fantasy XIII-2, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Mass Effect 3. I also went back to Darksiders on the 360 and obtained the 1000/1000 GS and finally beat the game in the process. I have also bought and finished Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky. I am working on the Platinum in Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls.
I also bought Batman: Arkham City, Magic the Gathering 2013, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D.
I have about 90% completion in MtG 2012 and 50% in MtG 2013. I'm halfway done roughly with Arkham City. I tried to go back to Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Gears of War 2. Having trouble getting back into those games.
I can play games without Trophies still as evidenced by Golden Sun, Zelda and Legend of Heroes. I still maintain that Trophies don't make a bad game good. I'm not going to go hunt Trophies in games I don't like just to get them. But if I like a game well enough then I don't mind going for them.
PapaWarlock wrote:I still maintain that Trophies don't make a bad game good. I'm not going to go hunt Trophies in games I don't like just to get them. But if I like a game well enough then I don't mind going for them.
Welcome to the dark side 
IMO, that's pretty much how trophies should be; something to add to a game you like, not something you have to do.
If I like a game, I'll try to get all the trophies for it, unless they are just too dang hard (there's a few games I like, but one or two trophies I just can't get). Games I don't like...not going to lose sleep over not having its trophies (perfect example are the two Mass Effect games; I played through both 2 and 3 once each, and all the trophies I have were just from the playthrough. Don't like either game enough to play through again and get the few you have to work for. Won't even play 3 partially just to see the new endings, in fact.)
PhoenixArcher128 wrote:PapaWarlock wrote:I still maintain that Trophies don't make a bad game good. I'm not going to go hunt Trophies in games I don't like just to get them. But if I like a game well enough then I don't mind going for them.Welcome to the dark side
IMO, that's pretty much how trophies should be; something to add to a game you like, not something you have to do.
If I like a game, I'll try to get all the trophies for it, unless they are just too dang hard (there's a few games I like, but one or two trophies I just can't get). Games I don't like...not going to lose sleep over not having its trophies (perfect example are the two Mass Effect games; I played through both 2 and 3 once each, and all the trophies I have were just from the playthrough. Don't like either game enough to play through again and get the few you have to work for. Won't even play 3 partially just to see the new endings, in fact.)
That`s a good point, trophies are great to have in games, but you should go for them because you want to, not because you feel you have to. I usually try to go for trophies in all my games, however if it`s one I don`t like I won`t go for them. Also if the trophy is to hard and often if the trophy is online I won`t bother with them. (as online trophies are sometimes impossible due to being inactive or are to hard.) I do try to go for the trophies mostly, I got 14 platnium trophies currently.
I find going for trophies to be fun and adds extra reply value to a game, however I find it better if I don`t even look at a trophy list during my first playthrough, if I do I find I am focused on the trophies to much, and enjoy the game less due to that fact. So, I worry about the trophy after I beat the game, where I then try to go for the platnium. Then I enjoy the game fully and can go for the trophies after the finish the game. Makes hunting for trophies much more fun in my opinion. (As I don`t want to lessen the gameplay experience because I am focused on earning a trophy and not focus on what`s going on in game as much.
First off, why else would I play a game like Up or Hannah Montana?
I like trophies. I like them because they are bragging rights and when you earn them, you have something to show off to your friends. Maybe it is the competitive nature of trophies, it feels good to have a Platinum that is somewhat challenging to achieve. I remember playing ICO last year for the first time and I played it the first time without caring too much about the trophies. I mean, I would be sure to watch out for them but I wasn't overly concerned with trying to get them all in one go. Either way, I absolutely loved ICO and thought it was the best game in the world and the trophies didn't affect that.
What the trophies affected was my willingness to play the game another 2 times to get each time based trophy (beat the game in under 4 hours AND under 2 hours). Beating ICO in under two hours is extreme hax, it's one of those trophies that you start to say "Screw that" right before you start to back out of your trophy screen and then you see the 90% stat which drives you crazy that you haven't fully completed the trophy list.
That game gnawed at the back of my skull for about a week before I was daring enough to attempt the 2 hour playthrough and I did it luckily on my third playthrough. Finish time: 1:58:28 (baarreeellyy got it)
I totally understand the Love/Hate relationship that you have with trophies/achievements. It's insane that we are extremely obsessed over something that really doesn't exist (physically, at least). It is what keeps all of us coming back for more, but I sincerely doubt it has affected all of us that way. It's just a treat for us hardcore gamers and a motive for all of us to stay "hardcore".
I have a weird relationship with trophies. On one hand, I like when I hear the noise for trophies and I can view them immediately. On the other hand, I hate that I can't delete games I don't like or have 0% on or can't combine my two accounts trophies together. I won't go hunting for trophies on games that I hate and will try to platinum games I love.
That's an interesting take PapaWarlock.
Lately I've had just about the exact opposite experience as you. I'm busier now than I've ever been and my gaming time has slowed considerably (luckily it picks back up again in the summer)! Anyway for those that don't know me, I have a huge backlog of games... I'm talking north of 500 games all the way from my NES to my PS3 and PC that I want to one day play.
Trophies present a person like me a problem. I enjoy collecting them/earning them/unlocking them. Why? I'm not entirely sure. I think it's a deep seated psychological need somewhere in my brain that I need to try to finish something to the furthest possible extent. Strange I know but I'm extremely detail oriented. Which can sometimes work against me.
So here I am in July and I've beaten only a handful of games this year. Amongst them Skyrim, a game that took me over 4 months to platinum. Then finally Uncharted 3 and a few others.
I feel that I spend way to much time chasing down trophies when I should be playing the next game. Yet I can't get over the hurdle of leaving something unfinished.
I should mention that I'm not like that in ALL my games only some - particularly games I'm really fond of like Skyrim, Uncharted 3, Batman Arkham City and the like. I don't need to get all the trophies in average games or even games that I borrow from friends.
I also recently and for the first time played Mass Effect on my X360 and I was super pleased with just playing the game and then moving on once I'd finished it. It was almost like a relief that I didn't have to play the game again for trophies that I missed.
These trophies sure are strange... or at least make me do strange things.
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