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Re: Western Frontier Discussion Thread

Dec 29, 2013

I lost 500 pieces of gold because the racing game froze on me. That was pretty much it for me. Hopefully, they'll implement some or all of the suggestions. I had such high hopes for this place.

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Dec 29, 2013
Is this da space that they kept hinting at 4 several months? Maybe some ppl got board waiting 4 it 4 so long and when it finally came no 1 cared lol
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Dec 29, 2013

As someone who has actually spent a great deal of time in the Western Frontier area, I have to agree that it has a lot of flaws.  Unfortunately, I'd say that things have actually gotten a bit worse since the area first opened.  Here's my current assessment of the place:

 

THE GOOD:

 

-- Area has tremendous potential.  A great deal of development effort clearly went into it.

 

-- Lots of excellent rewards are available, and many of them are fairly easy to get (particularly the cheaper items in the trading post).

 

-- Most of the mini-games are fun or at least have the potential to be fun (subject to my comments in the "bad" section below).

 

-- It is possible (although tedious) to earn gold without paying real money for it (although this has gotten worse since they nerfed the Five Finger Fillet game).

 

 

THE BAD:

 

-- I would say the fundamental problem with the space is that a lot of the games are going to be perceived by the average player as being unfair or "rigged."  I will go over some of the reasons behind this perception in the remaining bullets.

 

-- The rules/standards for some of the games have changed over time.  In general, the games have become harder to win over time.  For example, the threshold for scoring a "basic" win in Five Finger Fillet was recently increased from 45 points to 55 points.  This basically transformed a tedious but reliable way of earning gold over time into a tedious but reliable way of losing gold over time.  Few people were playing the game before, but now it has been completely abandoned!  The difficulty in the Shooting Gallery game has also skyrocketed.  You now need to earn more than 12,000 points to break even or more than 16,000 points to "win" the game.  A mediocre player such as myself doesn't stand a chance!

 

-- Many of the games are dominated by ringers.  This is especially true for the Showdown game, although the influence of ringers affects various other games including Stagecoach Racing, Shooting Gallery, and even Liar's Dice.  Basically, the way these games are set up encourages the best players to keep playing while simultaneously encouraging the more marginal players to give up and move on to something else.  So, you end up with a small number of exceptional players who dominate these games and a difficulty level that is staggering for the truly average player.  So, the truly average players drop out, and the official "average score" used to calculate the difficulty for games like Shooting Gallery ends up being mostly influenced by the scores of the very best players!

 

-- The number of active players in the area is not really enough to support the trading post system.  There are generally very few "wanted" items posted at any given time, and a lot of the people you see offering trades are unwilling or unable to execute fair trades for the items they want.  I have only been able to convert my trade tokens into rewards by routinely accepting unfair trades.  I have been able to execute some fair trades (or even unfair trades in my favor), but this isn't anything you can expect to pull off consistently even if you visit the trading post several times a day.

 

 

The number of Western Frontier users has really been dropping off recently.  I really would like to see the area succeed, but I'm not even sure if I can identify an easy way for Digital Leisure to turn the ship around.  They need to figure out a way to get "ordinary" users back into the area and, more importantly, convince them that they won't be totally fleeced by participating in the mini-games.  Maybe if they gave people a free play per day in each of the games?

 

 

--AA

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Dec 29, 2013

ArlingtonAvenger wrote:

As someone who has actually spent a great deal of time in the Western Frontier area, I have to agree that it has a lot of flaws.  Unfortunately, I'd say that things have actually gotten a bit worse since the area first opened.  Here's my current assessment of the place:

 

THE GOOD:

 

-- Area has tremendous potential.  A great deal of development effort clearly went into it.

 

-- Lots of excellent rewards are available, and many of them are fairly easy to get (particularly the cheaper items in the trading post).

 

-- Most of the mini-games are fun or at least have the potential to be fun (subject to my comments in the "bad" section below).

 

-- It is possible (although tedious) to earn gold without paying real money for it (although this has gotten worse since they nerfed the Five Finger Fillet game).

 

 

THE BAD:

 

-- I would say the fundamental problem with the space is that a lot of the games are going to be perceived by the average player as being unfair or "rigged."  I will go over some of the reasons behind this perception in the remaining bullets.

 

-- The rules/standards for some of the games have changed over time.  In general, the games have become harder to win over time.  For example, the threshold for scoring a "basic" win in Five Finger Fillet was recently increased from 45 points to 55 points.  This basically transformed a tedious but reliable way of earning gold over time into a tedious but reliable way of losing gold over time.  Few people were playing the game before, but now it has been completely abandoned!  The difficulty in the Shooting Gallery game has also skyrocketed.  You now need to earn more than 12,000 points to break even or more than 16,000 points to "win" the game.  A mediocre player such as myself doesn't stand a chance!

 

-- Many of the games are dominated by ringers.  This is especially true for the Showdown game, although the influence of ringers affects various other games including Stagecoach Racing, Shooting Gallery, and even Liar's Dice.  Basically, the way these games are set up encourages the best players to keep playing while simultaneously encouraging the more marginal players to give up and move on to something else.  So, you end up with a small number of exceptional players who dominate these games and a difficulty level that is staggering for the truly average player.  So, the truly average players drop out, and the official "average score" used to calculate the difficulty for games like Shooting Gallery ends up being mostly influenced by the scores of the very best players!

 

-- The number of active players in the area is not really enough to support the trading post system.  There are generally very few "wanted" items posted at any given time, and a lot of the people you see offering trades are unwilling or unable to execute fair trades for the items they want.  I have only been able to convert my trade tokens into rewards by routinely accepting unfair trades.  I have been able to execute some fair trades (or even unfair trades in my favor), but this isn't anything you can expect to pull off consistently even if you visit the trading post several times a day.

 

 

The number of Western Frontier users has really been dropping off recently.  I really would like to see the area succeed, but I'm not even sure if I can identify an easy way for Digital Leisure to turn the ship around.  They need to figure out a way to get "ordinary" users back into the area and, more importantly, convince them that they won't be totally fleeced by participating in the mini-games.  Maybe if they gave people a free play per day in each of the games?

 

 

--AA


What a well written post. I frequented this space regularly when it was first released but came to same conclusions as you. I do like the free play per day idea even if it's only for some games. Perhaps the free-play games could rotate and/or some nominal amount of gold could be given away each week much like chips are in the casino. As it stands now, I've pretty well lost interest in the Western Frontier and will most likely use the last bit of my gold on a few more games and then occupy my time with something else.

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Dec 29, 2013

You just confirmed the feeling I had about the finger fillet. 

I could not got even at the shooting gallery when it came out. When I'v learned they were raising the "target" I wasn't in a good mood.

Things like that are the best way to loose your customers.

What stopped me from spending money there wa the concept to pay for every games. I spent a lot of money in arcades in my teenage years, but that was in the 80's. We're in 2014.

Western frontier is targetting the exact same niche as the casino is by it's design. But the casino is much more appealing. 

Even the black jack game in WF is obviously tricked.

 

If you don't want me as a customer. No need to insist at every corner. I got the message.

It's sad. So much potential.

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Dec 30, 2013
Given Digital Leisure's prior track record, this space does come across as a step back in several aspects.
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I couldn't even manage to download this space :/ It got stuck around 44% and wouldn't go anymore than that. I cancelled the download and went to one of my spaces to find that it would not load at all. Needless to say, I am not happy with it already.

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Races won't start. ):

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Jan 17, 2014

I went to the Frontier briefly yesterday for the first time in well over a month. There were 15 other people in the space, mostly just standing around and a couple playing the Showdown game. I checked out the Saloon which still takes too long to load. Only 5 people were there...2 idling, 2 chatting and 1 playing blackjack. All the gaming tables in the main room were completely empty. I played a few hands of blackjack before becoming bored and leaving. The space really seems to be a dud.

 

Even with DL's offer of 100 free gold per day, the games just really aren't worth the time. Considering how long it takes to accumulate gold to convert to tokens and then hope for a trade, the rewards are not really worth the time either.

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Jan 17, 2014

X-MsLiZa-X wrote:

I went to the Frontier briefly yesterday for the first time in well over a month. There were 15 other people in the space, mostly just standing around and a couple playing the Showdown game. I checked out the Saloon which still takes too long to load. Only 5 people were there...2 idling, 2 chatting and 1 playing blackjack. All the gaming tables in the main room were completely empty. I played a few hands of blackjack before becoming bored and leaving. The space really seems to be a dud.

 

Even with DL's offer of 100 free gold per day, the games just really aren't worth the time. Considering how long it takes to accumulate gold to convert to tokens and then hope for a trade, the rewards are not really worth the time either.


Unless they upgrade the pay out in tokens, lower the target back to it's original stats for the shooting gallery and finger filets and don't have a dealer in black jack who always have over 18 and never bust... The meager 100 gold a day will never be enough to bring that place back to life. In a month it will be as dead as it was 2 weeks ago.

If you want me to play a little give me at least enough gold to play one mini game per visit... and a decent payout in tokens.

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