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Re: should we pay to play online i want your feedback

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as u know sony launching ps4 soon and i think its wrong to have to pay for online play we had it free for years on ps3 why stop when ppl buy home items and addons also games on the ps store ppl if u feel it is wrong leave your replies


You think you deserve free online gaming because Sony was nice enough to provide it for the current gen? What kind of 10 year old selfish logic is this?

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Re: Ps4. have to pay to play online **bleep**!

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All i have to say to you is its a forum dont like what i said dont reply to it also we will see  when you dont have a job or money to pay for playstastion plus and all the games you bought are useles.  and im not crying just talking maybe you should learn the difference.

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Re: should we pay to play online i want your feedback

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I'll just copy and past from different thread, same stupidity, entitled single post count user ( agreed probably wanting to stir up trouble.) 

 

ExMimic wrote:

TH3PUFFMAN wrote:

da1writer wrote:

Well, I would advise you to check out the Main PS4 thread and then post your thoughts after. Knowing the full story is half the battle. Just keep in mind, your opinion has been heard just like the others, not much can be done about it though, you just have to accept it or not buy the PS4.

 

http://x.co/ps4info

 

PS+ is not mandatory for alot of features, free to play games, MMO's, and singleplayer games. You think we can do something about it when in reality we can't, what's done is done, Sony has explained quite well why it has to be done. 

 

Your choices are simple if you don't want to play ball, you can either accept it like the millions of other future PS4 owners who helped sell it out, just buy the PS4 and beat around the bush as long as possible before you cave in, or stay with your PS3 as it is going to be supported for years (a few like to disagree but the same was said about the PS2 which stopped support in 12 years, PS3 is only 7 years old). Great games are still coming out for PS3 that you don't have to jump on the bandwagon right away. I'm not saying this btw to tell you what to do, or force you to do anything, it's entirely your decision. Reality just needs to be set in front ya, that's all.

 

Change hurts and seeing how you don't like it is ok, I'm not against ya and your opinion on the matter (while it may seem like it I'm really not). You may not see it right now but us helping Sony create a better online experience is long over due. I don't know about you or anyone else but I just don't want servers being dropped anymore from games like MAG, Socom, and others.


Game connection has nothing to do with subscriptions nor consoles. It's all dependent on your ISP connection. They have until their Japan show, to show me exactly what's going on.

The link you referenced, is merely statistical details already in massive circulation and I have already disected in prior instances. Nothing that substantiates multiplayer enhancements, ie: matchmaking changes, ranking changes, tangibles on how truly imersive the multiplayer is. Because frankly, the multiplayer as is, is pretty **bleep** imersive.

 

So answer me this. Sony, can't possibly come down from this imaginary pedestal you guys have them on, and meet the rest of the hardcore gaming community in the middle? I don't want to use cross-game chat on my PS4, I don't wish to stream, I don't want free games, that should not be enforced upon me, if all I want to do is play with my friends. C'mon guys? what happened to the middle ground, in subjects of consumerism? I want to buy the console, the games, to be honest I even want to buy the peripherals, but I'm not selling out.

 

I left xbox live in 09 because Sony had a totally different conept, you don't need no stinking subscription to do what you love to do. If they're willing to break that promise, then they're as good as MS.


Since you're talking "wants". I don't want PSN going down for maintence every month. 

 

PS3 and PSV will remain free to play. they didn't break any promises.


He is talking about what he thinks Sony said. 

 

To OP: BTW, you aren't the first to cry about this, there are a few others who can't get past that wall of entitlement. So I'll just post this from another thread of someone almost like you but sees that Sony somehow said that the online aspect of the system would always be free when in actuallity their terms of service state it could change at anytime. 

 


UnrealButcher wrote:

Punfisher wrote:

We're arguing over semantics here.  Just like Sony has made statements that they aren't charging now and may later, they have made statements saying they are not going to charge to play online.

 

But here's my main problem with you guys personally.  Many of you think I'm not paying enough for my hobby.  What gives you the right?  It's not your place.  You are completely free to give up as much money as you want to.  Go donate your paychecks to Sony if you feel that strongly.  But here you are fighting tooth and nail for me to give up more of my money.  You have no right.


You've repeatedly said, "Sony said they'd never charge for online." I posted a link to an interview (below) that only 7 months into PS3 life that stated that they may charge for PSN in the future, and asked you to post a link to where you have seen Sony say, "We (Sony) will never charge for PSN" as you have been saying, not "We (Sony) will never charge for PS3 online on PSN". There is a difference.

 

It's entirely up to you to decide how much you feel your hobby is worth. The same as I didn't buy BF3, because I didn't want to support EA charging for additional profiles to play online with my copy of it.

 


UnrealButcher wrote:

Punfisher wrote:
Yeah, for years they shouted it from the rooftops man. That was their big sales pitch to separate themselves from their competitors.

Here's what I found. It's from June 2007, just 7 months after PS3 launched in the US. Feel free to link any info you have of someone from PSN saying that the Network (not PS3) will never charge for the service.

 

Sony to charge for PlayStation Network

 

Director of PlayStation Network says Sony may one day charge for PSN

 

Eric Lempel, director of PlayStation Network operations, has said that the company may one day charge for PSN. He also feels PSN and Xbox Live are currently operating on a roughly level playing field and reveals improvements to the service currently in development.

 

Speaking to Gametrailers Lempel said that there was little to differentiate Xbox Live and PSN offerings to consumers bar the price. However, Lempel indicated that as the service grows, PSN may not always be available for free.

 

"Microsoft had a year jump on us for the launch and essentially we're offering a lot of the same stuff. I don't think there's a big difference in exactly what we're offering when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of what's actually there for the consumer... We're not charging money for our service. That's a key differentiating factor."

 

 

However, that could be open to change in the future.

 

"Right now that's our model. In time anything can change but right now we're happy with it."


So again, feel free to post a link and quote from Sony saying that they will not charge for the use of PSN on their future platforms. Those that came over from XBL, because PSN was free for PS3 have nothing to complain about as far as you can still enjoy PS3 online games for free.

 

So now can we put the, "Sony said PSN would never charge" arguement to rest? Well unless someone can link to them saying it (PSN) will never charge. I'll listen if you can give me a link, but I couldn't find one and that was using "Bing" a MS search engine. I'd think they'd be all over that info to help out XBL and XBox's platform.

 

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Re: Ps4. have to pay to play online **bleep**!

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I'll just copy and past from different thread, same stupidity, entitled single post count user ( agreed probably wanting to stir up trouble.) 

 

ExMimic wrote:

TH3PUFFMAN wrote:

da1writer wrote:

Well, I would advise you to check out the Main PS4 thread and then post your thoughts after. Knowing the full story is half the battle. Just keep in mind, your opinion has been heard just like the others, not much can be done about it though, you just have to accept it or not buy the PS4.

 

http://x.co/ps4info

 

PS+ is not mandatory for alot of features, free to play games, MMO's, and singleplayer games. You think we can do something about it when in reality we can't, what's done is done, Sony has explained quite well why it has to be done. 

 

Your choices are simple if you don't want to play ball, you can either accept it like the millions of other future PS4 owners who helped sell it out, just buy the PS4 and beat around the bush as long as possible before you cave in, or stay with your PS3 as it is going to be supported for years (a few like to disagree but the same was said about the PS2 which stopped support in 12 years, PS3 is only 7 years old). Great games are still coming out for PS3 that you don't have to jump on the bandwagon right away. I'm not saying this btw to tell you what to do, or force you to do anything, it's entirely your decision. Reality just needs to be set in front ya, that's all.

 

Change hurts and seeing how you don't like it is ok, I'm not against ya and your opinion on the matter (while it may seem like it I'm really not). You may not see it right now but us helping Sony create a better online experience is long over due. I don't know about you or anyone else but I just don't want servers being dropped anymore from games like MAG, Socom, and others.


Game connection has nothing to do with subscriptions nor consoles. It's all dependent on your ISP connection. They have until their Japan show, to show me exactly what's going on.

The link you referenced, is merely statistical details already in massive circulation and I have already disected in prior instances. Nothing that substantiates multiplayer enhancements, ie: matchmaking changes, ranking changes, tangibles on how truly imersive the multiplayer is. Because frankly, the multiplayer as is, is pretty **bleep** imersive.

 

So answer me this. Sony, can't possibly come down from this imaginary pedestal you guys have them on, and meet the rest of the hardcore gaming community in the middle? I don't want to use cross-game chat on my PS4, I don't wish to stream, I don't want free games, that should not be enforced upon me, if all I want to do is play with my friends. C'mon guys? what happened to the middle ground, in subjects of consumerism? I want to buy the console, the games, to be honest I even want to buy the peripherals, but I'm not selling out.

 

I left xbox live in 09 because Sony had a totally different conept, you don't need no stinking subscription to do what you love to do. If they're willing to break that promise, then they're as good as MS.


Since you're talking "wants". I don't want PSN going down for maintence every month. 

 

PS3 and PSV will remain free to play. they didn't break any promises.


He is talking about what he thinks Sony said. 

 

To OP: BTW, you aren't the first to cry about this, there are a few others who can't get past that wall of entitlement. So I'll just post this from another thread of someone almost like you but sees that Sony somehow said that the online aspect of the system would always be free when in actuallity their terms of service state it could change at anytime. 

 


UnrealButcher wrote:

Punfisher wrote:

We're arguing over semantics here.  Just like Sony has made statements that they aren't charging now and may later, they have made statements saying they are not going to charge to play online.

 

But here's my main problem with you guys personally.  Many of you think I'm not paying enough for my hobby.  What gives you the right?  It's not your place.  You are completely free to give up as much money as you want to.  Go donate your paychecks to Sony if you feel that strongly.  But here you are fighting tooth and nail for me to give up more of my money.  You have no right.


You've repeatedly said, "Sony said they'd never charge for online." I posted a link to an interview (below) that only 7 months into PS3 life that stated that they may charge for PSN in the future, and asked you to post a link to where you have seen Sony say, "We (Sony) will never charge for PSN" as you have been saying, not "We (Sony) will never charge for PS3 online on PSN". There is a difference.

 

It's entirely up to you to decide how much you feel your hobby is worth. The same as I didn't buy BF3, because I didn't want to support EA charging for additional profiles to play online with my copy of it.

 


UnrealButcher wrote:

Punfisher wrote:
Yeah, for years they shouted it from the rooftops man. That was their big sales pitch to separate themselves from their competitors.

Here's what I found. It's from June 2007, just 7 months after PS3 launched in the US. Feel free to link any info you have of someone from PSN saying that the Network (not PS3) will never charge for the service.

 

Sony to charge for PlayStation Network

 

Director of PlayStation Network says Sony may one day charge for PSN

 

Eric Lempel, director of PlayStation Network operations, has said that the company may one day charge for PSN. He also feels PSN and Xbox Live are currently operating on a roughly level playing field and reveals improvements to the service currently in development.

 

Speaking to Gametrailers Lempel said that there was little to differentiate Xbox Live and PSN offerings to consumers bar the price. However, Lempel indicated that as the service grows, PSN may not always be available for free.

 

"Microsoft had a year jump on us for the launch and essentially we're offering a lot of the same stuff. I don't think there's a big difference in exactly what we're offering when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of what's actually there for the consumer... We're not charging money for our service. That's a key differentiating factor."

 

 

However, that could be open to change in the future.

 

"Right now that's our model. In time anything can change but right now we're happy with it."


So again, feel free to post a link and quote from Sony saying that they will not charge for the use of PSN on their future platforms. Those that came over from XBL, because PSN was free for PS3 have nothing to complain about as far as you can still enjoy PS3 online games for free.

 

So now can we put the, "Sony said PSN would never charge" arguement to rest? Well unless someone can link to them saying it (PSN) will never charge. I'll listen if you can give me a link, but I couldn't find one and that was using "Bing" a MS search engine. I'd think they'd be all over that info to help out XBL and XBox's platform.

 

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Re: should we pay to play online i want your feedback

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Sony isn't doing the best financially, so looking at it from their angle I am totally ok with paying for online multiplayer (plus I already use PS+ so it doesn't bother me). They have said that they are hoping to make the number of free games bigger, and amount of deals and the amount of mmoney you save on the sales larger, and who knows, maybe once they are financially stable again they won't force people to pay anymore.

 

It still beats Xbox Live Gold because at least you get 50+ sales a week and 12-18 free games with PS+. With Xbox Live Gold you get a 20 or so sales and ZERO free games. Plus, non-paying PSN users can still use the F2P games, non-paying Xbox Live users can't.

 

It still sucks, but when Sony says that they will enhance PS+, I believe them.

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You know what is funny.. All the bashing ps fanboys did on xbox live because it was pay. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it is the greatest thing in the world.. All this Sony will never charge for playing online, boy they made you all liars.

 

Kind of republicans democrat garbage.. Democrats criticize republicans for everything but if a democrat does the same thing they can justify it. Same thing goes for the republicans everything a democrat does is wrong but if a republican does the same thing they justify it.

 

Oh and i do not own a xbox.

I own a ps3 and gaming laptop with a ps4 on order. I just can see clearly because I amnot a fanboy of any system.

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UnrealButcher wrote:

For all you regulars here. Enjoy. (Above video)


UnrealButcher wrote:

Punfisher wrote:

Litsa_Kardassis wrote:
As I've always felt, if you cant afford $50-$60 a year to play online, you should probably not play so many games and get a better paying job. Cruel, maybe, but the honest truth.

It's not about what one can afford.  I could afford $10,000 a year to play online, but is that ethical?  It's about drawing the line in the sand.  I only have internet for the games.  I'm paying over $600 a year to play online.  That's where I draw the line.  Anyone who thinks I'm not paying enough has a mental disorder.

 

Plus seems nice at first, you get a lot of free stuff.  But that's how they entice you and once everyone's on board all that free stuff is gonna go away. 


The thing is you pay your internet provider $600/year, not Sony. Sony is charging you for their service (they have to pay rent, power, employee's, etc to maintain their network and hopefully improve it), the same as Netflix ($7.99/month streaming) does for theirs.

 

I'm sure nobody would say, "You aren't paying enough." Unfortunately, Sony isn't getting a cut of that money.

 

Draw the line if you must, that's your choice and you're entitled.

 

Personally, I was an XBL customer for 9 years and just recently didn't renew, because I've been playing single player games. I've been hesitant to subscribe to Plus for my Vita, but decided I would pay the $50/year (vs. XBL's $100/year family plan I was paying) after seeing a few games on it's list that I thought I might like to play on my Vita and watching Sony's E3 conference and Plus being used for PS4.

 

I'm sure if I don't play online my boys will take advantage of it. Cheaper than the $100/year family plan I was paying on XBL.


 It was a good run. As da1writer quoted from another post of mine above, it was stated back in 2007 that Sony may one day charge for the service. Hell even I knew back in the day during the early days of my 9 years on XBL, that Sony would one day charge for PSN when they felt their service was equivalent to XBL. You'd have to be blind to think otherwise.

 

Personally coming from XBL and seeing how well a paid online subscription can function, I have no problem paying Sony for it. Especially when I know it will help making it a better service, I'll still get free games for my Vita and PS4, and get discounts on games, and my sons can still enjoy having their own profile to play online at no additional cost. Something MS didn't offer in the past.

 

I'm still unsure if it will somehow tie into Gaikai somehow, maybe a discount on the service that non plus gamers might not get, or if we're lucky it will be part of the service. I'm sure this will be discussed more at Gamescom or TGS.

 

I was going to say good luck with your effort as I know you are trying to help your fellow gamers, but I don't think it will help in this case. I want to support Sony in it's efforts to pay it's bills, and employees in an effort to make PSN a better more secure service for it's users.

 

Peace and Good Gaming. 

 

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Yeah  i know its my choice and yes the servers will probably be better and the plus will be better but we will see and yeah i know the ps3 will stay free. but thanks for the info .but my problem is that you go buy the game for like how ever much and only get part of the game i dont know just fells like a rip off to me its like buying a house but you can only use 1 room unless you pay  every mounth to use the rest of the rooms. and it kind of is mandatory if i go buy black ops and cant play the other half of the game isnt it kind of mandatory then? but yeah any ways thanks  replying with out all the lame  hate. much respect.

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All i have to say to you is its a forum dont like what i said dont reply to it also we will see  when you dont have a job or money to pay for playstastion plus and all the games you bought are useles.  and im not crying just talking maybe you should learn the difference.


If the person your responding has enough to buy a console he most likely has enough for plus. If it gets to a point where he loses his job and money, his gaming needs are most likely the last thing he will be worrying about. Gaming is a luxury, not a necessity. If one is so financially unstable that they can't set aside 50 bucks on top of the price of the console before the ps4's release, they should not be gaming anyway.

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UnrealButcher wrote:

For all you regulars here. Enjoy. (Above video)


UnrealButcher wrote:

Punfisher wrote:

Litsa_Kardassis wrote:
As I've always felt, if you cant afford $50-$60 a year to play online, you should probably not play so many games and get a better paying job. Cruel, maybe, but the honest truth.

It's not about what one can afford.  I could afford $10,000 a year to play online, but is that ethical?  It's about drawing the line in the sand.  I only have internet for the games.  I'm paying over $600 a year to play online.  That's where I draw the line.  Anyone who thinks I'm not paying enough has a mental disorder.

 

Plus seems nice at first, you get a lot of free stuff.  But that's how they entice you and once everyone's on board all that free stuff is gonna go away. 


The thing is you pay your internet provider $600/year, not Sony. Sony is charging you for their service (they have to pay rent, power, employee's, etc to maintain their network and hopefully improve it), the same as Netflix ($7.99/month streaming) does for theirs.

 

I'm sure nobody would say, "You aren't paying enough." Unfortunately, Sony isn't getting a cut of that money.

 

Draw the line if you must, that's your choice and you're entitled.

 

Personally, I was an XBL customer for 9 years and just recently didn't renew, because I've been playing single player games. I've been hesitant to subscribe to Plus for my Vita, but decided I would pay the $50/year (vs. XBL's $100/year family plan I was paying) after seeing a few games on it's list that I thought I might like to play on my Vita and watching Sony's E3 conference and Plus being used for PS4.

 

I'm sure if I don't play online my boys will take advantage of it. Cheaper than the $100/year family plan I was paying on XBL.


 It was a good run. As da1writer quoted from another post of mine above, it was stated back in 2007 that Sony may one day charge for the service. Hell even I knew back in the day during the early days of my 9 years on XBL, that Sony would one day charge for PSN when they felt their service was equivalent to XBL. You'd have to be blind to think otherwise.

 

Personally coming from XBL and seeing how well a paid online subscription can function, I have no problem paying Sony for it. Especially when I know it will help making it a better service, I'll still get free games for my Vita and PS4, and get discounts on games, and my sons can still enjoy having their own profile to play online at no additional cost. Something MS didn't offer in the past.

 

I'm still unsure if it will somehow tie into Gaikai somehow, maybe a discount on the service that non plus gamers might not get, or if we're lucky it will be part of the service. I'm sure this will be discussed more at Gamescom or TGS.

 

I was going to say good luck with your effort as I know you are trying to help your fellow gamers, but I don't think it will help in this case. I want to support Sony in it's efforts to pay it's bills, and employees in an effort to make PSN a better more secure service for it's users.

 

Peace and Good Gaming. 

 

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