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Re: [ The Recent Attacks Against Sony ]

Apr 8, 2011

QUICKSILV3R_com wrote:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2041179/anonymous-takes-playstation-website-playstation-net...

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you have to understand how a ddos attack works. these hackers didn't hack anything at all. they didn't get into the system or anything like that. all they did was DL a program and enter in a website address and hit go. it works like this; imagine yourself trying to log on to the PSN, now imagine 1000 other people all trying to log on at the exact same milli-second, the servers cannot handle that many requests at one time, so it, sort of crashes. it doesn't really "crash", it just gets so bogged down, it doesn't know what to do.

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Apr 9, 2011

This is what i'm talking about ctfw.  You pay for playstation plus, and the following results are what you get. 

C:\Windows\system32>ping 198.107.128.148 -n 10

Pinging 198.107.128.148 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 198.107.128.148:

    Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 0, Lost = 10 (100% loss),

C:\Windows\system32>ping 198.107.131.116 -n 10

Pinging 198.107.131.116 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 198.107.131.116:

    Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 0, Lost = 10 (100% loss),

C:\Windows\system32>ping 198.107.131.116 -n 10

Pinging 198.107.131.116 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 198.107.131.116:

    Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 0, Lost = 10 (100% loss),

The addresses i pinged are sony servers.   So why would a company let their servers go down and stay down for a week ?

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Apr 9, 2011

cant,

First off, I only had issues connecting over Tues and Wed. Since then I have yet to have problems connecting. As for these exact addresses, its really hard to say what is going on. They could of changed the server's addresses or it could be some sort of extra protection that is keeping you from pinging. In all honesty, so long as you can connect to the services that you want I don't see what the big deal is that you can't ping certain servers.

As for PS+, you are not paying for network access, like you are with Live. PS+ is basically a game discount program, where some discounts are 100% off. Saying that just because you pay for PS+ that Sony's network should have zero downtime doesn't really make sense.

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Apr 9, 2011

These servers are still active servers, the ip address of these servers will not change because this is a business ip address, which means that it is static and not dynamic.  On my post pingpath results i also included the hops to these servers.  I am not being able to use my full isp capabilities due to the fact that these Sony servers are down.  Why would a company like playstation allow their servers to even go down at all ?   My isp fixes their servers same day when they receive problems.  Why on earth would you pay for ps plus when you have to download the games from the sony servers and they are timed out / down for weeks on end.  The connection issues are on Sony's end.  I have tried multiple things with the help of my isp and they even gave me tools to look for that will help me determine that it's not on my end or my isp's end.   I have sent my results to Sony Corporate and they say they already know........ well if Sony corporate already knows........ then why day in day out is it not being fixed ?   As for sony not being hacked, that is a grey area......... Dos attacks are happening, and Sony really cant do much about it.  So why would you pay for a ps plus subscription to a company that can't even prevent it's own network from being attacked.    I don't see headlines in gaming magazines about xbox live being attacked. Do you ?

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Apr 9, 2011

can't

Here is all that I know. I can access all of the Sony Server's that I want and over the last few days I haven't seen all that many people who are complaining they can't access things compared to what I have seen earlier in the week. There servers have not been down for "weeks on end" as you claim. I can't ping the ips that you have listed, but that doesn't mean that there is anything active on those ips anymore. While those are static ips, there is nothing that is preventing Sony from moving to a different ip address that they own. I'm no expert on ip address, dns and servers in general, so Sony may have moved their servers or are only allowing a response to a certain type of traffic. Changing ips or dns routing might be how they are stopping the attacks.

Again, DDOS is NOT HACKING. It is something that just overwhelms a server. Anonymous are NOT HACKERS, at least in there attacks on Sony. There might be hackers in the group, but they are not hacking. You say "... Dos attacks are happening, and Sony really cant do much about it" then you say directly following "a company that can't even prevent it's own network from being attacked". You are holding fault to Sony for something that you say they can't prevent. I'm not even sure how that makes sense. Once again if you are going be made at anyone be mad at the idiots performing the attack.

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Apr 9, 2011

Well regardless if they have re-routed their ip's and other things, i still can't use psn at my full isp capabilities.  I just connected to psn once again, i then checked my router logs to see what ip's i'm connecting to, and it's still the same ip's i mentioned above.  They are still showing 100 percent packet loss, the trace route to these servers is pristine, there is one hop that has 1 percent packet loss, which is virtually nothing.   I'm still getting the same crappy connection to psn.   If you can't get a response to these servers it is because they are timed out or you are doing something wrong.   Go to your command prompt on your computer type in........   

ping 198.107.131.116 -n 10

after you do that, come post your results.

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Apr 9, 2011

i just did another pathing ping and ping results for this mentioned server.  Here are the results

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C:\Windows\system32>ping 198.107.131.116 -n 10

Pinging 198.107.131.116 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 198.107.131.116:

    Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 0, Lost = 10 (100% loss),

C:\Windows\system32>pathping 198.107.131.116

Tracing route to service.playstation.net

over a maximum of 30 hops:

  0  bud-PC.pn.at.cox.net

  1  192.168.1.1

  2  10.2.244.1

  3  68.1.10.89

  4  pnscsysr01-atm1401.pn.at.cox.net

  5  pnschdrj02-xe030.0.rd.pn.cox.net

  6  dalsbprj01-ae0.0.rd.dl.cox.net

  7  ae-0.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net

  8  ae-4.r21.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net

  9  ae-0.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net

10  ae-2.r20.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net

11  xe-8-4.r03.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net

12  mg-2.a07.mlpsca01.us.da.verio.net

13     *        *        *

Computing statistics for 300 seconds...

            Source to Here   This Node/Link

Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address

  0                                           bud-PC.pn.at.cox.net

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  1    0ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  192.168.1.1

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  2   22ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  10.2.244.1

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  3   15ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  68.1.10.89

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  4   23ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pnscsysr01-atm1401.pn.at.cox.net

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  5   15ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pnschdrj02-xe030.0.rd.pn.cox.net

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  6   43ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  dalsbprj01-ae0.0.rd.dl.cox.net

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  7   33ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-0.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.ne

t

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  8   82ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-4.r21.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.ne

t

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

  9   75ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-0.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.ne

t

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

10   74ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-2.r20.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.ne

t

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

11   85ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  xe-8-4.r03.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.

net

                                0/ 100 =  0%   |

12   85ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  mg-2.a07.mlpsca01.us.da.verio.net

Trace complete.

C:\Windows\system32>

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Re: [ The Recent Attacks Against Sony ]

Apr 10, 2011

ok, so i was just thinking about what Marc said in reference to something that is preventing me from receiving a ping back.  This must mean that Sony has a firewall setup on their servers, which i'm sure they had in the beginning.  However, their firewalls must have some weak points somewhere because the ddos attacks so on and so forth are continuing to happen.  I'm now in the process of pathpinging and pinging all the sony servers that im seeing that my ps3 are connecting to.

I won't post the servers that are showing me 100 percent packet loss because if i'm receiving a 100 percent packet loss that has to mean there is a firewall if  they aren't down.  So even though Marc may be correct, i'm still running tests to see if all the Sony servers are causing my super slow connections to psn.

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Apr 10, 2011

I read the first page of this and the only issue your actally complaining about is down time?  Yea its anoying but it would be better hten leaving the PSN broken.  Hackers have only been able to modify games and do custom things with their CFW.  Not hack accounts.

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Apr 10, 2011

if anything i'm trying to get my psn speed increased.  Having down servers means having to re route, so on and so forth.... all leading to crap psn speeds.  I'm not only complaining about downtime, but also about speed issues, packet loss, etc etc.......   I got more results to post, and i'm in the process of obtaining those results as we speak

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