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[Logical_Dolphin]

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mcbuttz78 wrote:

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Logical_Dolphin wrote:

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mcbuttz78 wrote:

^^ opinions  are just like backsides every has one  only  a  few are worth  seeing  on the beach"   '..

  if  can show us for a  exact fact  it  using  the  proper said  ssd  you are claiming , then read the  above statement, becuase no one knowsat this time it  pure speculation.  Not  all ssd are the same. So  you  or i dont know what they putting inside the  claimed  ultralight  ps3.  So please drop the act that you do.. Thank you in advance..  No need to give  false hope on the matter  becuase  no one knows for sure, be firm  not solid and sold, becuase agn it could a old   type sdd that cant be removed .  Me  you ,. or anyone else dont have any proof it doesnt or does re moval.

  if  you open a ps3  or put anything in your console  it voids the warrenty period, because  your not  a sony technician..  you  should learn to read  a warrenty . i was reading them before you was born before maybe even  before your mother  was born.!!

 Since want to    be  ill logical  with it lets make a bet..  if  one forum does  not pop  about a 16gb not having enough storage for   6 mths- 1yr of the forums after release  if it  ever happens .. ill give u 100$ in  psn  cards..  ok. you dont have to give me anything. I know it going draw compliants.

 Now for the fun part. I a have buisness degree from maryland  university  i graduated  17th in my class along  with a long navy career of 12 yrs.   So im going to easy on you talking buisness  .. After buisness becomes  sucessful they listen to  " some "stock holder and customers. But before that they do they  dont care. if its a new project . they dont care about  customers& stock holders, they  just care about the product.. They will get  the word out its good    and all., but they  dont care abotu  stock holders and etc at that point  of  something new unless they are greedy... Oral B  make toothbrushes new ones all the time. do you they care when  consumer say one is  crap.  No.. trust me they have share  holder and  customers that complain all the itme..  But  who its for them to buy every said product they make and love it .. Just  jam that toothbrush  down their neck   with authority becuase it oral b.  Be realistic  they will  make 100 other tooth  brushes that share  holder and customer can use .

 Thats pure  fantasty  consumer make the  company. Yes they give rating that it  is a good or bad product. But the   people who make these  things dont care because alot like the said  product. if they are going make something they are going to make it regardless. it might have minimum marketing to  keep  share holder  happy, But dont they care  becuase  each  product   brings in money.. if  customer dont buy it  one country . They find a way to sell it in another ..

 customer keep  retail  stores chains afloat and commercial  companies stock holders,, sony  was around  in 1954 my friend they are worth   7-9  trillion  today. they  lost 60 billion  during the  outage  if  you think  consumer kept them afloat this long  alone  long, you sorely mistaken, Great  buisness sense did... You can sell a patenant and  make 200  miilion .  You dont need any  consumer or stock holder money. So the customer keep something aflaot is not  true for  every  company. Some are  private

   YOu think sony care about every  consumer that buy the product.. it good  pr to say   you do  ,, But in reality no they dont at the end of the  day they care about making a great product  1st , making it last 2nd and continue  to innovate in the market 3rd..  who ever  want  gain wealth  and  be fan  can  come along  and spend.  But are they arent forcing them too. No companies does.. Buying is optional my friend

 So to say  consumer make a company is false ,. becuase i  could a sell patient all day and make 200 mill per  idea sold.. Now   stock  holdr and consumer  can say is its  a bad product.. Thats about it.  Every compnay is it own success becuase buying is optional

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Upgrading the HDD yourself does not void your warranty on your PS3. There is no doubt whatsoever that you are very mistaken about this.

It specifically states this fact on this website: "Upgrading the HDD will not void the warranty, however, the consumer takes full responsibility when upgrading the HDD."  (http://us.playstation.com/support/answer/index.htm?a_id=362)

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it does void the warrenty.. trust me becuase  the user is not a sony technicans..  Your not  even  suppose open the ps3 period for any reason,. I think that is stated some  where in  every  electronic device warrenty by law.    Every  line in a warrenty defeats the  next line of liability  to sony in fixing and being responsible for the damages..  in short they but everything on you in fault. There-for they dont fix it they replace it at a charge. This is how they make the warranty money... this how buisnesses do  it..

 A 1-3 yrs warrenty is  purchased seperate the 1st 90 days is free  with purchase by consumer law i  suppose.. and anything after that is on the buyer.. If  they bring it back to fix  they  take your hdd,  becuase  the hdd  didnt come with the product, even  if  it did they take it. Even if its a  3rd party  product.  Anything touching the console internally  from 3rd party make's it a damaged goods and unfixable by sony and void the warranty.

like i said each Line a warrenty defeats the next the line of liability toward sony or what ever said company. They   can show  what they want becuase that what they want you to do... they want you  open it  up  &  blow your warrenty money and they are liabable , So you can buy another  warrenty and another.

Its easy money..  You these companies out here  dnt have billion of dollars from  product alone..  ha.. good one. warrenty  is  like insurance.. You dont really need it and when you  do.. it most likley used up. Warenty/insurance make  about  10-15% of  all revenue for most  companies as well as cost to them.

 Keep think they would  hold you responsible  whena console damgae or error.. they blame  3rd party hdd every single time...

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I'm sorry but what you have written doesn't make a lot of sense. This has been a reoccuring issue with you, plus you keep spouting off a bunch of assumptions with very little factual information.

The bottom line is that you are continuing to believe something that is false, in spite of being confronted with the facts. In this instance you are stating the Sony itself is incorrect about its own statements made on its own website. 

This is not a personal attack or insult (or joke), but you clearly are delusional, as your behavior fits the definition exactly. This is becoming more clear to me and likely anyone else reading this thread. You really should seek some help for this, because this is not normal behavior...

[TechGenius20]

Ok Im putting thisback on topic. First off ignore anything mcbuttz has to say because he's not contributing at all, and 2. When would any of us expect to see this new PS3, I believe TGS because itll steal some of Wii U's thunder, and it makes perfect business sense

[jeff_rigby]

All PS3 4000 and PS4 will have 16 gig of SSD Flash memory.  It's needed to operate a game console with the Hard Disk asleep at the Menu screen only using 35 watts to voluntarily comply with the third tier of the Gold Star energy rating for game consoles.   

NeoGAF link

Further to voluntarily comply with the Goldstar rating of 35 watts the PS3 Slim would have a newer GPU and CPU than in the PS3.  Oh and the Xbox 360 is getting a hardware refresh this year also.  Both are probably doing so for a number of reasons but both should comply with the lower power ratings. 

[KoRnKlOwN69]

everyone needs to read jeff_rigby's stuff I have been reading on neogaf for days now on this subject... he has enough info to write a book lol!

[KoRnKlOwN69]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481264

[gR3yGh051]

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KoRnKlOwN69 wrote:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481264

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Thats a good read, lots of info there

[TechGenius20]

I believe the PS3 UltraSlim would be released with 16 of flash memory and an upgradable HDD similar to its competitior Xbox 360 and will sell from $179.99-$199.99 for the 16gb Flash only $249.99 for 250 GB and 299.99 for 500GB (if reports are anything to go by)  and I believe itll be announced at TGS, or Sony may schedule their own conference. I also believe that the new PS3 will have a top loading drive instead of a slot drive, and will ship before the holidays or else I dont believe it will live up to its full potential of sparking sales for Sony.

[jeff_rigby]

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TechGenius20 wrote:

I believe the PS3 UltraSlim would be released with 16 of flash memory and an upgradable HDD similar to its competitior Xbox 360 and will sell from $179.99-$199.99 for the 16gb Flash only $249.99 for 250 GB and 299.99 for 500GB (if reports are anything to go by)  and I believe itll be announced at TGS, or Sony may schedule their own conference. I also believe that the new PS3 will have a top loading drive instead of a slot drive, and will ship before the holidays or else I dont believe it will live up to its full potential of sparking sales for Sony.

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Agreed,  TGS or some date Sept-October, Sony will have a huge Firmware update that will have the following:

Full Webkit2 browser,  an upgrade to the current browser adding:

HTML5 <video> with Playready DRM

Accelerated compositing using tiles

SVG

WebGL

With a complete Accelerated Webkit 2 browser in the PS3 then the following can be supported:

Augmented Reality will leverage the browser libraries

ATSC 2.0 can be supported and is being implemented now (candidate status 1st quarter 2013)

1) Full XTV is possible in a refresh PS3 and with RVU in older PS3 models (No HDMI pass-thru) This is the reason for DTCP-IP in the PS3 since first firmware after 3.0.
2) 3-D XMB, Webview windows from the XMB with Rich Internet Applications and also Media rich (both supported by Sony job postings) 
3) Sony can finally have commercial DASH IPTV from the Sony store
4) Blu-ray ultraviolet app
5) HTML5 WebMAF apps with interprocess communication

The Sony Nasne DVR will act as the front end tuner and DVR serving via DLNA with newly adopted features all Sony products including handhelds.  This means the DLNA in the PS3 will be updated.

HTML5 WebMAF standard means cross platform and on the same platform inter process communications.  For instance a Contact list (Friends list) that can be used by all applications like a new Skype or Google Talk.  A Calendar that can share information as well as tie into a TV guide.  This implies a set of common HTML5 apps that will be free or come standard on all platforms like:

Calendar

Contact List

Journal

Skype and/or Google Talk

ATSC 2.0 is I think the reason both Xbox 361 and PS3 4000 chassis with total redesign to voluntarily comply with the third tier Goldstar EPA rating and both having a browser is happening at the end of 2012.  

ATSC 2.0 is the US equivilent of the European DVB hbbTV; It uses XHTML (browser) to X-tend TV features (XTV).  It supports 1080P and 3-D for Over The Air TV by using the h.264 codec.  This is supported by modern Smart TVs but most of the TVs on the market can't support a browser or the h.264 codec BUT the PS3 and newer Xbox 360 game consoles can.  They just need the ability to access a tuner like the Nasne or HD Homerun network tuner or on cable via a DVR with RVU support (already announced by Verizon and Direct TV).  

Few will buy a $1400 TV to get these features but most will buy a $150 game console.   This gets the Sony PS3 in the home living room, in fact every room of the house.  

The following link is a post better describing the above as well a a condensed list of links with information that leads to speculation that the two refreshes by the two game consoles at the same time might use the same core SoC.  Put  two 1PPU3SPU CPU packages in a slightly modified AMD A6 Fusion APU with the X86 CPU packages removed and it can emulate both the Xbox 360 and PS3.  It will be the speculated PS3.5 which might have HDMI pass-thru.  THE A6 is on a 32nm SOI process  as would be the Xbox 361 refresh.  That there is no information from IBM on a 32nm PS3 SoC but there is for a Xbox and the microsoft-sony.com domain registration as well as the features listed in the Digitimes PS4 rumor (must be a PS3 confused as a PS3 released in 2012) support this.  

To support the EPA GoldStar third tier energy use spec (35 watts at an active menu screen), the hard disk will have to be sleeping which requires SSD cache for the OS and dropping the PS3 from 61 watts to 35 watts also will require a more modern GPU and CPU that support Zero power modes for the GPU (AMD GPU in the A6) and IBM has a newer PPU design and individual CPU packages can be turned off or run at slower clock speeds in an AMD A6.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41701968&postcount=1376

[mcbuttz78]

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jeff_rigby wrote:

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TechGenius20 wrote:

I believe the PS3 UltraSlim would be released with 16 of flash memory and an upgradable HDD similar to its competitior Xbox 360 and will sell from $179.99-$199.99 for the 16gb Flash only $249.99 for 250 GB and 299.99 for 500GB (if reports are anything to go by)  and I believe itll be announced at TGS, or Sony may schedule their own conference. I also believe that the new PS3 will have a top loading drive instead of a slot drive, and will ship before the holidays or else I dont believe it will live up to its full potential of sparking sales for Sony.

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Agreed,  TGS or some date Sept-October, Sony will have a huge Firmware update that will have the following:

Full Webkit2 browser,  an upgrade to the current browser adding:

HTML5 <video> with Playready DRM

Accelerated compositing using tiles

SVG

WebGL

With a complete Accelerated Webkit 2 browser in the PS3 then the following can be supported:

Augmented Reality will leverage the browser libraries

ATSC 2.0 can be supported and is being implemented now (candidate status 1st quarter 2013)

1) Full XTV is possible in a refresh PS3 and with RVU in older PS3 models (No HDMI pass-thru) This is the reason for DTCP-IP in the PS3 since first firmware after 3.0.
2) 3-D XMB, Webview windows from the XMB with Rich Internet Applications and also Media rich (both supported by Sony job postings) 
3) Sony can finally have commercial DASH IPTV from the Sony store
4) Blu-ray ultraviolet app
5) HTML5 WebMAF apps with interprocess communication

The Sony Nasne DVR will act as the front end tuner and DVR serving via DLNA with newly adopted features all Sony products including handhelds.  This means the DLNA in the PS3 will be updated.

HTML5 WebMAF standard means cross platform and on the same platform inter process communications.  For instance a Contact list (Friends list) that can be used by all applications like a new Skype or Google Talk.  A Calendar that can share information as well as tie into a TV guide.  This implies a set of common HTML5 apps that will be free or come standard on all platforms like:

Calendar

Contact List

Journal

Skype and/or Google Talk

ATSC 2.0 is I think the reason both Xbox 361 and PS3 4000 chassis with total redesign to voluntarily comply with the third tier Goldstar EPA rating and both having a browser is happening at the end of 2012.  

ATSC 2.0 is the US equivilent of the European DVB hbbTV; It uses XHTML (browser) to X-tend TV features (XTV).  It supports 1080P and 3-D for Over The Air TV by using the h.264 codec.  This is supported by modern Smart TVs but most of the TVs on the market can't support a browser or the h.264 codec BUT the PS3 and newer Xbox 360 game consoles can.  They just need the ability to access a tuner like the Nasne or HD Homerun network tuner or on cable via a DVR with RVU support (already announced by Verizon and Direct TV).  

Few will buy a $1400 TV to get these features but most will buy a $150 game console.   This gets the Sony PS3 in the home living room, in fact every room of the house.  

The following link is a post better describing the above as well a a condensed list of links with information that leads to speculation that the two refreshes by the two game consoles at the same time might use the same core SoC.  Put  two 1PPU3SPU CPU packages in a slightly modified AMD A6 Fusion APU with the X86 CPU packages removed and it can emulate both the Xbox 360 and PS3.  It will be the speculated PS3.5 which might have HDMI pass-thru.  THE A6 is on a 32nm SOI process  as would be the Xbox 361 refresh.  That there is no information from IBM on a 32nm PS3 SoC but there is for a Xbox and the microsoft-sony.com domain registration as well as the features listed in the Digitimes PS4 rumor (must be a PS3 confused as a PS3 released in 2012) support this.  

To support the EPA GoldStar third tier energy use spec (35 watts at an active menu screen), the hard disk will have to be sleeping which requires SSD cache for the OS and dropping the PS3 from 61 watts to 35 watts also will require a more modern GPU and CPU that support Zero power modes for the GPU (AMD GPU in the A6) and IBM has a newer PPU design and individual CPU packages can be turned off or run at slower clock speeds in an AMD A6.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41701968&postcount=1376

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I have  question  is this just romured and speculated..  From my understanding no-one knows   the future  of  ps updates  and they are not made public  unitll  about  14- 48  hours after the said  update occurs if at all. Not saying your  wrong  or anything asking a question.

Thank you

[KoRnKlOwN69]

its based off of information compiled by him through research.....he could be wrong but the whole fun of it is if he is right......we will have great experiences coming our way....and by the way the ps3 is infact over due for a huge OS upgrade....