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Re: PS Plus is a failure on PS4!

Feb 7, 2014

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cross12095 wrote:

BaltRavensFan20 wrote:

I think I'll keep mine also, I like the fact I get games each month, to me it pays for itself.

 

I looked on steam for game prices.

 

Outlast - 20.00

Don't Starve - 15.00

Contrast - 15.00

Resogun - 15.00 (PS store price)

Total - 65.00

 

 

So you can basically say if you are one of the ones who downloaded and played all those games they gave us, your PS+ membership is already paid off in a matter of 2-3 months, and we still have 9-10 months to go for more games.

 

Even if you can't play them anymore if you don't renew your membership, if most people think its a good value then those people will still be able to play, I know I'll renew mine and will be able to still play. Plus, unless you have a backlog of games, I can't see how anyone won't beat these games in a years time.

 

Plus I am used to paying for Xbox Live, so it doesn't bother me to pay for online, which to me is worth it more than Xbox Live.

 

To those saying that Sony is only keeping up servers on their own games, ok then, how is that different than Live? I would assume its the same situation over there also (unless EA is using microsoft servers which in that case disregard that comment). So what are you paying 60.00 for then? To use Netflix and all those other apps that are free to use without a paywall on other devices? Gee, that sure seems like a good value to me *rolls eyes*. Oh, and don't forget those free games that are a couple years old like Halo 3 and such. I don't see any difference in online quality on PSN compared to Live either, both are just about equal, so to me, the fact that PS+ actually gives you more current games over Live's games that have been out for awhile, seems more worth it to me.


Again this thread is not about the value that PS Plus provide but rather about it's current subscription rate on the PS4 and it's suppossed added benefits. Also to your question, yes Microsoft is providing the servers for all games on Xbox One 1st and 3rd party. EA, Activison, Ubisoft, you name it are all using Microsoft's servers for their games.


The thread title says "PS Plus is a Failure on PS4". Thread title suggests nothing of the sort in terms of rates. Get off your head trip. 


Read the post bro, here let me help you - http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-General/PS-Plus-is-a-failure-on-PS4/td-p/42899123

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Re: PS Plus is a failure on PS4!

Feb 7, 2014

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So apparently almost 50% of all PS4's sold have no PS Plus subscription, ppl are voting with their wallets and saying no to PS Plus. We should all do the same and let our current PS Plus subscriptions expire and not renew them until online play is free on PS4.

 

Sources:

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/02/06/kaz-over-50-of-the-4-2-million-ps4-owners-have-a-play...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/448750/sony-half-of-ps4-owners-subscribe-to-ps-plus/

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-says-only-half-of-all-ps4-users-subscribe-to-ps-plus-1584395/


No thank you. I'll renew mine when it ends. Worth every cent.

 

"ppl are voting with their wallets and saying no to PS Plus"

 

Where did you get this from? In this article: http://www.geek.com/games/sony-says-only-half-of-all-ps4-users-subscribe-to-ps-plus-1584395/ it says that "compared to the PS3 the number of people using PS Plus has increased threefold".

 

Whatever though. Done with this thread. This has been discussed to death alrready. Good day.


1: It's in the right in the link if you don't want to read. 

2: Of course it has compared to PS3 because it was optional there unlike PS4

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Re: PS Plus is a failure on PS4!

Feb 7, 2014

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I love my PS+ and will always have it.


You may love it, but that doesn't make it right to put online play behind a paywall.

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Re: PS Plus is a failure on PS4!

Feb 7, 2014

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ck2875 wrote:

LOL. Click-baiting title much?

 

I like how you took an article that is talking about how it's considered a GOOD thing that over 50% of the 4.2 million PS4 owners have a PS+ subscription and interpreted that as a sign of doom. Glass half empty much?

 

Actual quote from article:

Kaz: I’m going to just add a little more color by saying that [of] all the4.2 million PS4s that have already moved into the hands of consumers, more than half of the people that have now gotten their hands with the PS4 have actually signed up for [the] PS Plus service, which bodes very well for us as well.


No not all, the article does state that more than 50% of PS4 owners are subscribers but not exactly how much. What I said does stand since I said that almost 50% of PS4 owners are not subscribers. If PS Plus was a success then the subscription numbers would be way higher like around 80-90% not around 50%. The only reason it's even at 50% is because it's required for online play on PS4.


Or maybe people don't have PS Plus yet because they haven't had a compelling reason to go online yet. There aren't really any titles yet that make any sense to be playing on PS4 over PS3 yet, especially considering you can still play them for free on PS3. Not to mention, the communities are much stronger on those previous consoles since they still make up a huge majority of the market.

 

Once you start to see PS4 only titles and PS4 has a bigger chunk of the market share over the previous gen, I think you are going to see the numbers going way up.

 

I think this is why the articles are looking at this optimistically -- there isn't really a reason to go online on the PS4 yet, and yet 50% of the consoles already have PS Plus anyways. I'd be curious to see how many of the existing PS Plus customers even game online yet. Only game I've taken online on my PS4 so far is Resogun.

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I can't see this generation being even close to being as good as the last generation and it's going to get even worse.  Think paying to play online is unfair?  You haven't seen the worst yet.  Even our ISP might rip us off after recent changes in the law and the disappearance of 'net neutrality' .  It's going to cost you more than just a Plus subscription.   

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Re: PS Plus is a failure on PS4!

Feb 7, 2014

There is so much whining on this board, it's pretty intense. When did gamers get so ridiculous? 
If you don't think PS is worth it, don't pay for it. I did that with Live, it was a waste of money, that led to me selling my 360 for a 3DS. I personally have gotten my money back in games, discounts and other stuff. It's a great service to have. I'm fine with them charging for online because even without that component it's still worth the sub price 10 fold.

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There are problems coming that'll be far worse to worry about than just paying to play online.  PS Plus is still a much greater value than Gold.

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I can't see this generation being even close to being as good as the last generation and it's going to get even worse.  Think paying to play online is unfair?  You haven't seen the worst yet.  Even our ISP might rip us off after recent changes in the law and the disappearance of 'net neutrality' .  It's going to cost you more than just a Plus subscription.   


I think it depends entirely on how you define "being as good". If your only concern is things going digital at the same time that ISPs (i.e. cable companies aka the Devil) are imposing download rates on consumers, then yeah, things might get a little ugly for you.

 

However, if what you judge a console generation on is innovation and immersion in games, creativity and overall fun factor, I don't understand what any of these potential fees are doing to truly degrade that experience. 

 

- You have better graphics to work with

- Machines built on a PC architecture (which helps developers a TON)

- Distribution channels that allow indie developers to succeed, which provides competition for the AAA publishers forcing those guys to allow their developers more free reign / resorting to tactics that please the gaming community

- Potential to stream games to mobile devices to play your games on the go

- Possible new entrant to the "console" fray (Steam PC) that could bridge the gap between consoles and PC and possibly allow the PC to rub off on the console a bit this generation as opposed to the other way around which was the case last gen

- Potential for Steam type scenario with console gaming -- I know some are concerned because Sony/MS would have control of the final distribution channel (PS Store/XB marketplace), but the closer we get to full digital distribution, it will become mandatory for digital licenses to be sold everywhere from box stores to online, a la Steam keys being sold by Gamefly, Amazon, Green Man Gaming, etc, etc.

- Have you LOOKED at the games we have slated for 2014? That's just the tip of the iceberg. You have to be smoking something if you think this console gen is going to suck. I forsee lower prices on games and even more competition. The only thing to worry about is if indie gaming and their low prices overtake the AAA publishers enough to make it difficult for them to make money and produce blockbuster titles.

 

There really is so much potential this generation for things to be excited about this generation. It kind of amazes me that anyone actually thinks we're going backwards. 

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What innovation are we talking about here? There hardly anything new. We have slightly better graphics. We will continue to have to settle with unfinished, broken games that will require constant patches, games will continue being mediocre and 'okay' at best and there'll be longer droughts due to increased development time required. Look at recent games released, many were either too short, broken, boring, mediocre, lacked content etc. It's just gonna get worst and we'll build all this hype around games only to be really disappointed.

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I find it extremely humorous that people are so offended that we need to pay to play PS4 games online. Read my rational below (I'll try to keep it appealing to the eyes):

 

1) It is a large cost to Sony to maintain servers, power, and service to the millions of users.

 

2) It is at most $50/year (sometimes $20-30 on craigslist, ebay, etc). That is between $1.66 and $4.17 per month.....for a service that offers online gaming, communications, profiles, apps, updates, PS PLUS GAMES, etc.

 

3) I understand that not everyone has a lot of money, and times are tough. But if we bought a $400 console, $4/month is quite silly to complain about. How much do you pay for internet? Cell phone? gas? You probably even spend more on toilet paper.......and you're complaining over this?

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