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Re: I guess everyone is happy about the ps4????

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Waaaaah   Things change   Waaaaaaaah

 

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TwinDad wrote:

uh--oh wrote:

Seems to me we are losing something that was great about Sony. I loved having a great console and that's all I expected from it. IS everyone truly happy or are you saying you are because Sony not jumping on the bandwagon about used games? Its not my fault Sony built a crappy ps3 console but why not offer backwards compatibility? Why in the heck are we charging for online services?

 

So far Im not truly impressed with either big time brands Microsoft or Sony. What it seems like is the big huge companies dictating what they want us to like. Not offering us a choice as gamers but forcing us to accept or leave. I may be over reacting a little but that's how I see it. I may be alone in this thought pattern but the "GOOD OLE DAYS ARE GONE".......

 

 

What a shame.....

 

 


I can understand the feeling of no choice. It seems as if the good old games are gone, but i think that depends on how you r view what games you are interested in.

 

I'm interested in a PS4. If I was to not buy one it would not because I could not play used games, or that I need a PS+ pass to play online. It would because I could upgrade my PC to the same technology for about the same price (let us not argue PC tech please), and purchase the games cheaper on steam or gog. If I do buy one it's because of exclusives like uncharted.

 

So your feelings of lost are based on losing functionality in the PS4 from what the PS3 had?


Sort of, for if a console has us the "gamers" in mind it would allow us to not only have the advantage of playing the previous consoles games plus the new one's. Also don't forget the charge now for internet services. Seems to me I choose sony those many years ago because cost was less than the other big brand. You forget, we buy a console, we pay for internet, we pay for games , where is the benefit of choosing Sony now?

 

I feel we are losing more than we are gaining......


I can see your viewpoint.  Losing backwards compatibility was the #1 reason I bought a launch PS3 when they annouced it was being discontinued. I'm not sure I see the $400 value in the PS4 the way I saw the $500 value in the PS3. I do see your point of the feeling of being nickeled and dimed.

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Best option  is to just ride out the storm till fall next year 2014.. or till my PS3 is not supoorted.

 

Both next generation consoles are just small PC's anyhow..each with some exclusives..

 

Feels like this just might be the last generation..

 

Major titles will be on the PC also, I can wait ..

Even the cheerleaders are not out in force like the last gen.. MEH!

 

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Yeah you are definitely in the minority on that one. I certainly do not feel that the PS3 is a crappy console. And why the heck are you complaining about restrictions? Sony looks like a saint compared to Microsoft. If Sony wanted to release a backwards-compatible PS4 the case would be twice as big and a couple hundred dollars more. If it's that important to play your ps3 games that you have for your "crappy" ps3, then just buy another ps3. You'd probably pay the same amount of money in the end. Not to mention the fact that in a year or two you wouldn't even be playing ps3 games anymore, even if it was backwards-compatible.

As far as the paying for online issue goes; you do realize that's one of the main reasons Xbox Live was so successful and offered a quality experience, right? And on the PS4 it's $10 cheaper, as well as offering free games every month.

The total price you have to pay for the PS4 is a huge improvement to me. If you take inflation into account, the $599 for the PS3 is equivalant to $690 in 2013. That's nearly $300 more than the PS4. Obviously whether or not the PS4 will be worth it depends on Sony making good on their promises and that the quality of the console is good. But you know what? We will not know until the console comes out. And I have faith that Sony will come through.

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Well, they convinced me to buy a next-gen console, if that says something.

I don't mind the PS Plus suscription (i don't play online multiplayer that much anyway) as long as i can lend, rent or buy used games without any restrictions or DRM. 

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PlayHuhO wrote:

I think there are a several major positive things that Sony has stated that override a lot of the negative that is 'Online Multiplayer requires a PS+ membership for the PS4' and those are:

 

- Will not impose Used Game fees (though it sounds as though Online Passes may still be on the table for publishers).

- Online multiplayer will remain free for PS3 and PS Vita.

- A free PS4 game per month for at least the first year for PS+ subscribers (certainly softens the blow of having to pay to play online, no?).

- A single PS+ membership is all that is needed for all members of a household to play online, and will apply to TWO consoles.

- Does NOT require an always on internet connection.

- Does NOT require a live camera/mic 24/7.

- $399.

 
I am sold!! Hence why now I am preordered PS 4 (FULL) Smiley Very Happy

All the systems have negatives. It's just are you, as a gamer willing to live with those restrictions to play a game.

 

I'm not sure I'm willing to live with the always on internet connection that will be required for GAIKAI. BUt I do have an option to not puchase that, so I'm still good.

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TwinDad wrote:

PlayHuhO wrote:

I think there are a several major positive things that Sony has stated that override a lot of the negative that is 'Online Multiplayer requires a PS+ membership for the PS4' and those are:

 

- Will not impose Used Game fees (though it sounds as though Online Passes may still be on the table for publishers).

- Online multiplayer will remain free for PS3 and PS Vita.

- A free PS4 game per month for at least the first year for PS+ subscribers (certainly softens the blow of having to pay to play online, no?).

- A single PS+ membership is all that is needed for all members of a household to play online, and will apply to TWO consoles.

- Does NOT require an always on internet connection.

- Does NOT require a live camera/mic 24/7.

- $399.

 
I am sold!! Hence why now I am preordered PS 4 (FULL) Smiley Very Happy

All the systems have negatives. It's just are you, as a gamer willing to live with those restrictions to play a game.

 

I'm not sure I'm willing to live with the always on internet connection that will be required for GAIKAI. BUt I do have an option to not puchase that, so I'm still good.


I don`t understand your complaint over Gaikai, it`s an online streaming service you have to expect you need to be online to use it, and it`s not like you need to always be online anyway when your not using Gaikai.

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uh--oh wrote:

Seems to me we are losing something that was great about Sony. I loved having a great console and that's all I expected from it. IS everyone truly happy or are you saying you are because Sony not jumping on the bandwagon about used games? Its not my fault Sony built a crappy ps3 console but why not offer backwards compatibility? Why in the heck are we charging for online services?

 

So far Im not truly impressed with either big time brands Microsoft or Sony. What it seems like is the big huge companies dictating what they want us to like. Not offering us a choice as gamers but forcing us to accept or leave. I may be over reacting a little but that's how I see it. I may be alone in this thought pattern but the "GOOD OLE DAYS ARE GONE".......

 

 

What a shame.....

 

 


Do you want backwards compatibility? Play your PS3. Either that or use Gaikai technology on PS4 in 2014 to stream PS3 games onto your PS4. In both these situations, if you want to save money, play your old gen games on the PS3. Plus the PS3 wasn't crappy. 

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Yeah you are definitely in the minority on that one. I certainly do not feel that the PS3 is a crappy console. And why the heck are you complaining about restrictions? Sony looks like a saint compared to Microsoft. If Sony wanted to release a backwards-compatible PS4 the case would be twice as big and a couple hundred dollars more. If it's that important to play your ps3 games that you have for your "crappy" ps3, then just buy another ps3. You'd probably pay the same amount of money in the end. Not to mention the fact that in a year or two you wouldn't even be playing ps3 games anymore, even if it was backwards-compatible.

As far as the paying for online issue goes; you do realize that's one of the main reasons Xbox Live was so successful and offered a quality experience, right? And on the PS4 it's $10 cheaper, as well as offering free games every month.

The total price you have to pay for the PS4 is a huge improvement to me. If you take inflation into account, the $599 for the PS3 is equivalant to $690 in 2013. That's nearly $300 more than the PS4. Obviously whether or not the PS4 will be worth it depends on Sony making good on their promises and that the quality of the console is good. But you know what? We will not know until the console comes out. And I have faith that Sony will come through.


You missed the entire point. I had quality online back in ps2 days. Guess what? It didn't cost me internet fee's. Im not a typical gamer and the so called value deal Sony is offering with the ps4 isn't that great. SO maybe yes I am a minority. As I've said it seems by comparison of the xbox1 is where everyone is right now. Since Sony isn't doing what xbox1 did makes it better. Unfortunately not by my value's they do.

 

I've say we've lost a lot from flashy graphics to singular gameplay and now no backwards compatibility to paying for online. How can these guys say this console is for the gamers. Even now Sony isn't listening. But IM not here to argue, just wanted to see if IM alone and since I am. problem solved. Thx anyway

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chaos_789 wrote:

TwinDad wrote:

PlayHuhO wrote:

I think there are a several major positive things that Sony has stated that override a lot of the negative that is 'Online Multiplayer requires a PS+ membership for the PS4' and those are:

 

- Will not impose Used Game fees (though it sounds as though Online Passes may still be on the table for publishers).

- Online multiplayer will remain free for PS3 and PS Vita.

- A free PS4 game per month for at least the first year for PS+ subscribers (certainly softens the blow of having to pay to play online, no?).

- A single PS+ membership is all that is needed for all members of a household to play online, and will apply to TWO consoles.

- Does NOT require an always on internet connection.

- Does NOT require a live camera/mic 24/7.

- $399.

 
I am sold!! Hence why now I am preordered PS 4 (FULL) Smiley Very Happy

All the systems have negatives. It's just are you, as a gamer willing to live with those restrictions to play a game.

 

I'm not sure I'm willing to live with the always on internet connection that will be required for GAIKAI. BUt I do have an option to not puchase that, so I'm still good.


I don`t understand your complaint over Gaikai, it`s an online streaming service you have to expect you need to be online to use it, and it`s not like you need to always be online anyway when your not using Gaikai.


I realize that, I don't have to use it, and even if I do use it, it's not always on. I should have perhaps left that off after hindsight. What I do now worry about is how much bandwidth it would take. But I'm sure as time goes by the information would eb released.

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