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Re: GDDR5, DDR3 The difference

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The real question is will 3rd party developers gimp down the PS4s graphics to be on par with the Xbox 1? When I see all those comparison videos it makes me wonder if that's what they did with PS3 and Xbox 360. Then look at 1st party or PS3 exclusive 3rd party games and see how much more graphical they are in comparison. We will have to see if 3rd party studios push the system more or hold back due to fear of backlash from Microsoft and Xbox fans.

ubisoft already stated the ps4 version of black flag is the better version, not only you get the ps3/4 exclusive extra content, the ps4 verison will have better weather affects just because they can do more with the ps4 than what they could with the xboxone.  


 http://gamingbolt.com/assassins-creed-4-black-flag-interview-ps4-version-details-sales-expectations-...

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Wait, why aren't more people talking about this? When shown the PS4 will have less gb of ram all hell breaks loose, but when shown GDRR5 is much better than GDRR3 nobody cares. Weird...


Where does it say the ps4 will have les ram?

Because from what i have seen it will have 8gb's and so will the xbox 1..

Except the ps4 will have graphics card ram instead of normal ram.


I meant all the talk about the PS4 having 4,5gb ram for devs instead of 7gb.

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Thank god someone posted some form of explanation instead of letting the fire burn! 

Great job man. :smileyhappy:

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Your welcome.

 

When everyone started to jump on this I was kind of baffled. If the PS4 was using ddr3 memory and it was the same I

could see people getting the wait a second mindset.

 

Not only is GDDR5 faster and can do more, but it is built to expand and carry us forward tech speaking.

DDR3 is not as future forward in any way. So when Sony says we are building the PS4 to be the future

this is what they meant.

 

The philosophy from Sony, MS and Nintendo are becoming clearer by the day.

MS wants to control your living room.

Sony wants to give you the best gaming experience.

Nintendo wants everyone to get along.

 

Of course all consoles will have there features.

We all will choose the system that has and does what we want.

 

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Your welcome.

 

When everyone started to jump on this I was kind of baffled. If the PS4 was using ddr3 memory and it was the same I

could see people getting the wait a second mindset.

 

Not only is GDDR5 faster and can do more, but it is built to expand and carry us forward tech speaking.

DDR3 is not as future forward in any way. So when Sony says we are building the PS4 to be the future

this is what they meant.

 

The philosophy from Sony, MS and Nintendo are becoming clearer by the day.

MS wants to control your living room.

Sony wants to give you the best gaming experience.

Nintendo wants everyone to get along.

 

Of course all consoles will have there features.

We all will choose the system that has and does what we want.

 


I too knew the power difference between DDR3 and GDDR5, I too was baffled and tried my best to explain but alot of people chose to look at the numbers instead of the power differences (MORE = Better, Less = crap). A couple years back, graphics card creators knew this power difference as well. Do people honestly think graphics cards of today like the Titan have always used GDDR5? No. They actually used DDR ram sets but they soon found out later GDDR5 was practically double the power in what each upgrade of ram allowed. 

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The real question is will 3rd party developers gimp down the PS4s graphics to be on par with the Xbox 1? When I see all those comparison videos it makes me wonder if that's what they did with PS3 and Xbox 360. Then look at 1st party or PS3 exclusive 3rd party games and see how much more graphical they are in comparison. We will have to see if 3rd party studios push the system more or hold back due to fear of backlash from Microsoft and Xbox fans.

This is exactly what happened with the PS3 and 360! Third-party Devs. were basically forced into dumbing down the the PS3 versions because of the MS parity policy which most only associated with release dates, but also included content and presentation. Sure the cell was harder to develop for but in reality was more powerful. It is my understanding that this parity agreement will not be an issue during this generation meaning we could  have 3rd party games being released on different and with minute to signficant differences in content and presentation. By the way, isn't the PS4 GPU still at least 40 times more powerful than the XBONE's? 

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However, The Xbox One may have only ddr3 BUT it uses EDSRAM to bump up the bandwidth.  PS4 only has gddr5.  It COULD even out the playing field.  In the end, specs don't make the console. Games do

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deaofly wrote:
The real question is will 3rd party developers gimp down the PS4s graphics to be on par with the Xbox 1? When I see all those comparison videos it makes me wonder if that's what they did with PS3 and Xbox 360. Then look at 1st party or PS3 exclusive 3rd party games and see how much more graphical they are in comparison. We will have to see if 3rd party studios push the system more or hold back due to fear of backlash from Microsoft and Xbox fans.


This is exactly what happened with the PS3 and 360! Third-party Devs. were basically forced into dumbing down the the PS3 versions because of the MS parity policy which most only associated with release dates, but also included content and presentation. Sure the cell was harder to develop for but in reality was more powerful. It is my understanding that this parity agreement will not be an issue during this generation meaning we could  have 3rd party games being released on different and with minute to signficant differences in content and presentation. By the way, isn't the PS4 GPU still at least 40 times more powerful than the XBONE's? 


You are talkng about this huh :smileywink:, I knew about the parity policy when I had a 360. PS3 ports would have to be on par, not better than the 360. Let's hope that stupid policy is not reinstated as it's quite unfair but according to dev's, they are all in love with the PS4's PWR!

 

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However, The Xbox One may have only ddr3 BUT it uses EDSRAM to bump up the bandwidth.  PS4 only has gddr5.  It COULD even out the playing field.  In the end, specs don't make the console. Games do


im sorry but even developers are saying that the ps4 in terms of power is the better system... 

 

oh ps, a source (within microsoft) that wants to remain unnamed even stated the ps4 is the better system

its pretty bad when someone who works for microsoft even agrees that the ps4 is the better system

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Teus wrote:

deaofly wrote:
The real question is will 3rd party developers gimp down the PS4s graphics to be on par with the Xbox 1? When I see all those comparison videos it makes me wonder if that's what they did with PS3 and Xbox 360. Then look at 1st party or PS3 exclusive 3rd party games and see how much more graphical they are in comparison. We will have to see if 3rd party studios push the system more or hold back due to fear of backlash from Microsoft and Xbox fans.

ubisoft already stated the ps4 version of black flag is the better version, not only you get the ps3/4 exclusive extra content, the ps4 verison will have better weather affects just because they can do more with the ps4 than what they could with the xboxone.  


 http://gamingbolt.com/assassins-creed-4-black-flag-interview-ps4-version-details-sales-expectations-...


You guys know that it doesn't say anything about PS4 being better than XB1 in that article. They keep saying about how great PS4 is, but they also say about being multi-gen. So you can't really say they are comparing PS4 and XB1.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to say that since I'm going all in on PS4, I'll be grabbing controllers, using Gaikai, remote play on my Vita, preorder some 7-9 games, but in the articles that have been linked here and in the past they don't directly say PS4 version is better than XB1. At least not that I see.

 

I'll quote some below and maybe you can show me where it says, "PS4 version is better than XB1, and it's just not possible to do these things on XB1 because of PS4's superior hardware." :smileywink:

 

 

From you link:

 

Ravi Sinha: We’ve heard a lot about the extra content of the PS4 edition – can you tell us a bit more about what we can expect?

 

Jean Guesdon: The PS4 version does not have any extra game content per se. Graphics, obviously, will be improved to give you a more immersive feeling: leaves and plants move with the wind, waves feel even more lifelike, sails billow in the wind, etc. Other than that, we do support the PS4 touchpad and Vita Remote Play, which means you will be able to play AC4 on your Vita through your PS4.

 

So nothing there comparing to XB1.

 

 

Ravi Sinha: What advantages has the PlayStation 4 presented in comparison to developing for other consoles? Like Watch_Dogs, did the next generation hardware present an option to expand on the gameplay, which would be reflected in the current gen versions?

 

Jean Guesdon: We are very open about the fact that we are a cross-gen title. This means that we have to develop for both current-gen and next-gen platforms. This obviously means that we had to do a lot of lateral thinking, but the reward is that features that we developed for Next-Gen ended up becoming feasible on current-gen. One example is the companion app: this was at first an exclusively next gen feature but it became such an integral part of our game, such a cool feature, that we put in the effort to make it available for everyone. So yes, in this sense, next gen really shaped some aspects of the game that you can experience across all platforms.

 

Talking about current and next gen above.

 

 

Ravi Sinha: Assassin’s Creed IV is also confirmed for the Xbox One. Is this version going to be any different from the PS4 one?

 

Jean Guesdon: Nothing we can confirm at the moment.

 

And above they say nothing. So I don't see where they say PS4 hardware is better.

 

 

BTW, I'm not saying GDDR5 isn't faster then DDR3. I'm just saying the article doesn't ever directly say PS4 version of these games are better then XB1's version.

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