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Re: EA - cash grabbing and pay to win - bf4 microtransacttions are a heart breaker

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Abosolutely not - how much stock do you put into the high end vehicle upgrades? That's a major game changer, personal weapons still have an impact but not like the fighter jets, tanks, helicopters that take forever to level and have better armor and weapons.

 

I don't mind grinding out for my weapons, but I don't want to grind out against joe millionair schmo who just bought all his weapon upgrades - screw that


 

First of all, let me just say I agree with you. It's pretty crappy you can just spend $10 (or more depending on how much you want) to get what takes an average player 100s of hours.


Personally, I unlocked everything legit. That's why I have everything BUT all the air upgrades because,yes, those are VERY time consuming to obtain because of how difficult it is to stay alive when everyone plays engineer seemingly with attacking air vehicles as the only goal in their life.

But let me spin this for you. What about people who don't have all that time to play? For it to be a fair fight, because at this point (especially if you have expansions) the average level is in the upper 50s to lower 70s, with a healthy amount of 100+s

Another thing. The upgrades do give an advantage, but not a noticeable one if you know what you're doing. When I bought the game there were already people level 50 and higher, yet I still managed to maintain almost a 2.0 KDR (if not higher) during most of my rounds.
The tanks start out with countermeasures, which scrub rockets if you are paying attention to when you are getting locked and if something is being dumb-fired at you. Reactive armor is nowhere near as strong as it was in BF3, and the various shells don't seem to make all that much difference. With a little dedication, you catch can catch up to someone who bought everything for the tanks, in about a week.
Speaking hypothetically, just because I bought and have active protection coupled with thermal vision(which sucks) doesn't mean I'm going to understand the game as well as someone who spent 20 hours to EARN those upgrades.
The thing I've always loved about the BF series is that there is a lot that rides on the skill of the player, even when my opponent has a much higher level, and technically better equipment, I still manage to win.
I'm all for arguing the concept, but at the end of the day, it just really doesn't effect that much. Also, there are very few people that actually buy that stuff. It takes away from the majority of the MP experience.

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Rockatron2000 wrote:

 

Please keep pay to win off my console. I like my ps4 but I will sell it tommorrow just as easy if it turns into a microtransaction infested money grabbing machine like pc gaming has become.

 


so. your selling ur PS4 because current and future games may be full of microtransaction?

 

really? I'm looking at this with a simple word "STUPID"

 

actually i would read it this time

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Re: EA's "pay-to-win" BF4 microtransactions are a heart breaker

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They've had shortcut bundles for a while now op, it's nothing new. So a big thumbs-down.gif to you.

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While I agree that skill can make up for having inferior gear, what about when you have evenly matched skilled players battling it out though?

 

Also I undertand that some people don't have the time to put into the game, I am one of them, I would really rather not play against people that have maxed out thier level and weaponry options either through playing legit or buying them, and having the option to just buy them means I am going to have to play agaist more people now that have maxed out the weapons and level and have more powerful options.

 

It just stinks, but if this is what you all want then have at it. I just will find something else to do. I like my gaming, but I like my money more and I'm to competitive to compete in something that's tied to my wallet, i don't want my wallet to compete for me, I want my skills to compete.

 

to whomever was asking about me selling my ps4..... it's not for sale yet and I'm hoping to keep it really. It really depends on what the console culture decides it likes. If it decides it likes pay to win and microtrans then yes I will sell. That means any kind of microtrans, but on the other hand if the culture reject microtrans and embraces a straight up buy to play with potential reasonable dlc then I will keep my system. 

 

If you haven't figured it out - I hate free to play and any type of microtransactions and pay to win is the worst - I compare pay to win to compulsive casino gamblers - they just can't help themselves. I just don't want to see the console games get trashed like the pc games have and greedy companies like EA could care less about the sustainable well being of the gaming community. No they have some expempt employee that's looking at his quartely quota and that's all, just gotta make that mark this quarter - meanwhile you and I - we pay the consequences over the lifetime of our gaming careers.

 

Simple rule of thumb - never buy antything in a microtransaction cash shop and never never embrace pay to win.

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I think all the guns and vehicle upgrades should be unlocked for everyone when you buy the game for $60, I never understood why you should give advantages to people just because they've played the game longer. I would have a problem if they had better vehicle upgrades that you only unlocked by buying dlc's or "weapon packs"

I've already unlocked all the vehicles (including air) months ago, so I guess this doesn't affect me...If people want to waste their money on this crap, why should anyone care?

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ok I'd read it correctly

 


Rockatron2000 wrote:

I just noticed in the playstation store all the microtransactions EA has out for BF4. I found it very disheartening. It's another form of pay to win. Needless to say I have sold my copy of BF4 already and won't purchase anymore EA games.

 

(your right alright. but remember: You're not forced to buy DLCs) 

 

Please keep pay to win off my console. I like my ps4 but I will sell it tommorrow just as easy if it turns into a microtransaction infested money grabbing machine like pc gaming has become.

 

I am a pc gamer as well and I have to say the one thing I like about consoles over pc is the fact that microsoft and sony are regulating what's happening with respect to pricing. If you're both going to be cash grabbing pay to win machines, I will stick with my pc.

 

(didn't you say "I like my ps4 but I will sell it tommorrow just as easy if it turns into a microtransaction infested money grabbing machine like pc gaming has become."?)

 

Please Sony and Microsoft - don't let your culture turn into a bunch of free to play garbage games and pay to win games that pc is turning into.

 

(how about telling the publishers/developers to not use Microtransactions?)

 

It's no surprise there is a big EA on the cover of BF4 - EA is pathetic - it's too bad too because when BF4 64 player works (it still has tons of issues) but when it works it can be alot of fun, but not when people just bought all of their aircraft, ar, grenades skills,... yada yada yada all while I grind out my aircraft skills against people who payed for heat seekers, and extra armor, and better guns...... I won't play that game and that is what BF4 is right now. - very sad state

 

(ahem...)

 


 

I don't like the option to buy extra slots in COD, but besides that I don't have a problem with camo skins they have, if people want to personalize that's fine, but the minute you alter gameplay as much as EA does, that's the minute it become a greedy cash grab pay to win game.

 

(Call of Duty, honestly. you should have bring it as part of a "FREE" Update)

 

I really hope the division and destiny are not pay to win games as well - if so, please ps me if you interested in a PS4 I will not need two pay to win cash shop machines. 

(SPOILERS: Almost every game will be "PAY TO WIN" stuff that isn't really P2W but its DLCs.) (but if you don't want to "win cash shop machines" u should quit playing PC games as well)

Mod Edit: Edited title from "EA - cash grabbing and pay to win - bf4 microtransacttions are a heart breaker" for speling and clarity. -- XiomaraRose


Honestly. most Free-To-Play games. u don't need to spend a dime

Let's say I've been playing Blacklight: Retribution and Warframe (on my PCish) and i never spend a dime and actually enjoying my time playing and have no problem with P2W-related stuffs. I'm not even kidding. heck after play some GTA Online. but still haven't spend a dime but I get randomly shot by random people but a option to enable passive mode I still get a chance to avoid it. and heck I joined the Deathmatch. I enjoyed it without spending a single dime.

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apparently you want some attention - 

 

1. I do not buy dlc's never have never will - BF4's dlc is probably one of the worst too - dlc should only come from a game that has earned the right to do so and BF4 did not - BF4 only has dlc because the content was deliberately held from the original game at launch so they can charge people extra $$$ - DLC should come to the games that are so good that people are calling for an encoure - Bf4's broken 64 player conquest is a deal breaker for any kind of encore.

 

Yes I said I would sell my ps4 tommorrow - that was just to show how fast I will abandond ship the minute I deem the ps4 as another cash grab machine. I have one of those already it's a pc - and while it is today a cash grab machine, the pc is still the superior gaming device, which means I would have no use for the ps4. The ps4 lifeline is the regulation sony has over what is made available and at what cost - what I am seeing from EA and BF4 is strike 1, Destiny and The Division are the next two pitches I swing at, and I am swinging, hit or miss we will see. 

 

Tell the publishers not to do cash shops is liking pissing in the wind... they are controlled by investors. Those investors only want to know how much did they make on investment, they don't care after that.

 

Unless you are a game developer or an investor, you really should be favoring consumers a little more. Unfortunately, gamers see the light at the end of the tunnel but ignore the pit of venomous snakes between them and the light, inevitabliy they fall right in. That's the cultural shift I'm seeing more and more as less people are concerned with details and more concerned with give it to me now.

 

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as far the balance of the game, i dont think this affects much

 

if you are skilled, you will win, regardless of paying to unlock the gadget

 

 

 

but the whole DLC thing, i saw this coming when bethesda first came out with the 500 microsoft point horse armor

 

i was bit*ing like crazy and most people thought i was over exaggerating

 

look where we are now

 

 

 

business model will always change to suck out as much money as efficiently as possible from the consumers

 

THAT will be a constant

 

brace yourselves

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MADDENKING1980 wrote:
I think all the guns and vehicle upgrades should be unlocked for everyone when you buy the game for $60, I never understood why you should give advantages to people just because they've played the game longer. I would have a problem if they had better vehicle upgrades that you only unlocked by buying dlc's or "weapon packs"

I've already unlocked all the vehicles (including air) months ago, so I guess this doesn't affect me...If people want to waste their money on this crap, why should anyone care?


 

It provides motivation to keep progressing. BF has had online unlocks for a VERY long time.

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