Re: Bleak or Bright: The PlayStation Vita’s Past and Future

superfriar19 · ‎06-01-2009

fantasyplayer wrote:
I myself do not think price is the problem. There is not one person I know that has not put out 400 to 600 on a tablet or 300 to 500 on a phone. And most have both. What it has to do with is quantity and quality. The vita playes games better than all, but people are not as worried about that now. There phones and tablets have so many choices of things to do and they do them all good. The vita is best at games. Most of the apps and internet not so well. Most people compair the two and chose the one that does the most. That is the way the eletronic world has become. When I use the browser on the vita I wonder if I should have bought a tablet. When I play a game I think the vita is the right choice.And now the tablets have emulators that play ps1,ps2 and nintendo games. That is going to hurt even more. The vita is strong enough to do it all also. Sony kind of has it tied down right now for some reason. They may be worred about hacking, I do not know. But I hope they do not keep it down past the point of no return. They are going to have to take note of what people want from it and let the beast loose. When people can look at the vitas options and say well it does all the things the other products do and plays games three times better,plus a full ps1, and psp library of games, it would narrow the choice down to it being equal or the best of the items to chose. It is a beast of a machine. Sony just needs to let it out of it's cage.

What a shock!!!! Another Sony fanboy who doesn't think price is the problem. I love how the only people who think price isn't an issue are PlayStation Community Forum posters. LOL!!! Price is the issue and all you need to do is look anywhere else and read what everyone else is saying.

Logical_Dolphin · ‎07-13-2000

superfriar19 wrote:

fantasyplayer wrote:

I myself do not think price is the problem. There is not one person I know that has not put out 400 to 600 on a tablet or 300 to 500 on a phone. And most have both. What it has to do with is quantity and quality. The vita playes games better than all, but people are not as worried about that now. There phones and tablets have so many choices of things to do and they do them all good. The vita is best at games. Most of the apps and internet not so well. Most people compair the two and chose the one that does the most. That is the way the eletronic world has become. When I use the browser on the vita I wonder if I should have bought a tablet. When I play a game I think the vita is the right choice.And now the tablets have emulators that play ps1,ps2 and nintendo games. That is going to hurt even more. The vita is strong enough to do it all also. Sony kind of has it tied down right now for some reason. They may be worred about hacking, I do not know. But I hope they do not keep it down past the point of no return. They are going to have to take note of what people want from it and let the beast loose. When people can look at the vitas options and say well it does all the things the other products do and plays games three times better,plus a full ps1, and psp library of games, it would narrow the choice down to it being equal or the best of the items to chose. It is a beast of a machine. Sony just needs to let it out of it's cage.

What a shock!!!! Another Sony fanboy who doesn't think price is the problem. I love how the only people who think price isn't an issue are PlayStation Community Forum posters. LOL!!! Price is the issue and all you need to do is look anywhere else and read what everyone else is saying.

I read there was a good reason why Sony deceided to not lower the price of the Vita (& PS3) yet. Even though a lower price would move more units, it wouldn't help Sony's bottom line when it comes to making the division profitable.

As soon as the new fiscal year starts in April, I believe we will see those much needed price cuts come into reality...

Help avoid the YLOD, 3 tips for a cooler and greener PS3

mcbuttz78 · ‎07-02-2009

InfinityDevil wrote:
Is it though?

Amazon is subsidizing its tablet by selling through music and videos, and collecting user data on what you are browsing, and what you are buying and playing. They definitely do this with the Amazon App Store -- their store runs as a kernel level service on the tablets and can monitor what you are doing, and their terms of service no doubt indicate they will grab your demographics nicely.

Google is selling the tablet at very low profit margins because they make the money back on your google account. They catalog and analyze everything you read write and buy with your account, even if they don't watch your activity on the tablet itself. They see your searches, they monetize that with their primary source of revenue: advertising.

Sony... doesn't do those things? Yes they know your profile by what you buy on the Store, they could potentially track what you play on the Vita as part of your gaming profile if you happen to be online at the time, and even that goes on and off with the Vita to save battery. Sony tries to make a profit on the handheld, and then makes a royalty on every game sold.

These are two very different models. With Google, Amazon, Microsoft Bing, and Android in general, the consumer is actually the product in many ways. Android exists to keep you using Google services -- why do you think Amazon didn't just decide to use Google's Android instead of making their own flavor of it? They want you in their world so they can watch, analyze, monetize, and sell to you more directly. With Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft, the product is the hardware, the games, and the service offerings.

And before you go down the rabbit hole of saying games are too expensive when so many iOS and Android apps are 99 cents or free, go find out how many iOS and Android developers are making money. Only a select few can live off their game revenue, let alone fund further development.

Until consumers understand that they are selling away their privacy and personal activity data on their tablets and phones in order to bring the price of those devices down, they won't understand a standard-price electronic product like a handheld game device from Nintendo, Sony, or anybody else.

It could be that the era of the dedicated handheld gaming device is over, but I'd wager that Sony is trying to mitigate that with its PlayStation Mobile efforts and services like Music Unlimited, Netflix, YouTube, and other apps on the Vita.

I'm surprised more Android developers aren't going to Vita. Yes the numbers are low for install base but the piracy rate is probably vanishingly small. Android is hacked 10 ways to Sunday -- rooting any phone immediately gets copies of your app thrown into the wild to be side-loaded by whoever wants them at no charge.

I dont know about the rest of you's but this opened my eyes> i got a hunch not to do biz with amazon and it served me correctly. i havebought aything off amazon now i never will.. thank you for confirming that. kudo +1

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mcbuttz78 · ‎07-02-2009

Gamble_STARS wrote:
I think for the Vita to be more successful down the road is going to be dependent on PSM. Sony needs to pull in some of these big time Android/ iOS developers like Madfinger and get those games on PSM for the same price as they are on the Appstore and Play Store.

Taking the PSM route IMO would be more cost effective for the consumer and developer since they only need to pay $100 a year and we can get a games like Shadow gun and Dead Trigger for like $5 and with small file sizes. Shadowgun Deadzon is only 128mb(online only) and is amazing. Those two games are free on the Play Store ; due to Google being cheaper for devs, but if people see they can get console quality games for a device with dedicated controls for $5 instead of $40, they're going to be more inclined to purchase a Vita. But its up to Sony if they want PSM to really take off.

yes i agree whole heartly . psn is actually for the small devs team to prosper with low price game and unknown devs to come into the fold to make aaa console games. i think has sony mobile, if they work out a way to get the pricing from mobile to transfer to psn pricing it could work.. This why im so down wi th reasoning on gamers today saying they dont ps mini's becuases its was the golden to to getting these mobile games on psn with lower pricing they dont understand that part. Hopefully all game pricing go down, becuase alot older titles on mobile and tablets now, tech is getting better. psn games and ps vita ps3 can do allthe lastest tech.. Only isuse was gettingthem there to mini was door becuase amini nothing more than a short mobile game. if could work the pricing i think sky would be the limits

Becuase the ps+ format and everything else is in the right direction per say or was in that direction.

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Logical_Dolphin · ‎07-13-2000

mcbuttz78 wrote:

InfinityDevil wrote:

Is it though?

Amazon is subsidizing its tablet by selling through music and videos, and collecting user data on what you are browsing, and what you are buying and playing. They definitely do this with the Amazon App Store -- their store runs as a kernel level service on the tablets and can monitor what you are doing, and their terms of service no doubt indicate they will grab your demographics nicely.

Google is selling the tablet at very low profit margins because they make the money back on your google account. They catalog and analyze everything you read write and buy with your account, even if they don't watch your activity on the tablet itself. They see your searches, they monetize that with their primary source of revenue: advertising.

Sony... doesn't do those things? Yes they know your profile by what you buy on the Store, they could potentially track what you play on the Vita as part of your gaming profile if you happen to be online at the time, and even that goes on and off with the Vita to save battery. Sony tries to make a profit on the handheld, and then makes a royalty on every game sold.

These are two very different models. With Google, Amazon, Microsoft Bing, and Android in general, the consumer is actually the product in many ways. Android exists to keep you using Google services -- why do you think Amazon didn't just decide to use Google's Android instead of making their own flavor of it? They want you in their world so they can watch, analyze, monetize, and sell to you more directly. With Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft, the product is the hardware, the games, and the service offerings.

And before you go down the rabbit hole of saying games are too expensive when so many iOS and Android apps are 99 cents or free, go find out how many iOS and Android developers are making money. Only a select few can live off their game revenue, let alone fund further development.

Until consumers understand that they are selling away their privacy and personal activity data on their tablets and phones in order to bring the price of those devices down, they won't understand a standard-price electronic product like a handheld game device from Nintendo, Sony, or anybody else.

It could be that the era of the dedicated handheld gaming device is over, but I'd wager that Sony is trying to mitigate that with its PlayStation Mobile efforts and services like Music Unlimited, Netflix, YouTube, and other apps on the Vita.

I'm surprised more Android developers aren't going to Vita. Yes the numbers are low for install base but the piracy rate is probably vanishingly small. Android is hacked 10 ways to Sunday -- rooting any phone immediately gets copies of your app thrown into the wild to be side-loaded by whoever wants them at no charge.

I dont know about the rest of you's but this opened my eyes> i got a hunch not to do biz with amazon and it served me correctly. i havebought aything off amazon now i never will.. thank you for confirming that. kudo +1

I got some news for you. It doesn't matter where you go, your activity is going to be tracked somehow. If you want to avoid all tracking activity, go old school get rid of your computer and pay with cash when you go to the store.

Welcome to the 21st century....

Help avoid the YLOD, 3 tips for a cooler and greener PS3

jimniner · ‎11-27-2012

Erthkwake wrote:
Yeah, I can't believe people saying it's too expensive and comparing it to the PS3 price.
Sorry the Vita has more advanced technology than a system that came out in 2006!
What's worse is that many people who see the Vita as not worth being more expensive than the PS3 (and not by much either) are the kind of people who pay $400-1000 for an iPhone.
Well critics, I see see your $200 iPhone3 and $500 iPhone5 and laugh!

I don't disagree with you, but it's a little bit different discussion when the iPhone 5 is seeling for $128 at Walmart and Best Buy (which it is right now - Best Buy will price match the $128 Walmart price).

One of the challenges isn't that iPhone/iPod/tablets are a direct competitor, it's that those are devices people already own or want and the Vita is having to find a place as an additive technology. It isn't convenient to work out with .. too big, so it can't replace the iPhone/iPod use there. It's got a great screen and fantasticly better gaming capability, but most adults (who can afford the unit) aren't really that into immersive gaming. They are casual gamers.

It's not that Vita has to compete against those products, because those products are probably already in the pockets of people Sony would like to sell the Vita to. What Sony has to do is find a way to make people need the Vita too. That's harder in today's market.

jimniner · ‎11-27-2012

Logical_Dolphin wrote:
jimniner wrote:

1. New memory. I know, piracy and all that. However, this is the third time Sony has changed the media format for the PSP line (and yes, I consider the Vita to be a part of that line because it is). I'm tired of investing in new media only to find it obsolete for the next generation of the same product. This is widely recognized as a significant part of the reason (along with lack of UMD support) for why the PSP Go was such a critical and abject failure. And the price of the new PS Vita memory cards is a little (a lot) on the ridiculous side. It's not a total deal killer, but it's a pretty big hurdle to put in front of people who are looking to upgrade.

As far as the PSPgo, I doubt that many people upgraded from the PSP to the PSPgo. The PSPgo was marketed as a premuim (and admittedly experimental) product designed for consumers that only wanted to do digital downloads. It had plenty of built in storage (16GB) for downloads, so buying additional memory wasn't a needed feature right away. The real problem was that Sony couldn't get enough digital downloads available on PSN fast enough, most likely because the digital rights of these games had to be secured separately. In most cases the for a new PSP game, it was available in retail far earlier than the digital version. Some of the more popular PSP games (like from Square-Enix) weren't available at all in the US market.

Many of the digital distribution issues the PSPgo had have been rectified in the Vita, because it was clear that Sony didn't have all their ducks in a row when it came to digital distribution of their own games...

Exactly my point. Most PSP owners didn't upgrade to the PSP Go, because it was another "start over" device, basically. Now, it doesn't even begin to compete with the Vita, but it's just another example in the long history of how Sony ruins its own customer loyalty. It's the perception that matters. How do I know that the next generation of PS Vita (which is an inevitibility) will use the same memory cards? For most other manufacturers, this isn't a concern, but Sony has made it a concern by their own decisions with this product line in the past. Just saying ... they don't give us a whole lot of reasons to have faith in them here.

mcbuttz78 · ‎07-02-2009

Logical_Dolphin wrote:
mcbuttz78 wrote:
InfinityDevil wrote:
Is it though?

Amazon is subsidizing its tablet by selling through music and videos, and collecting user data on what you are browsing, and what you are buying and playing. They definitely do this with the Amazon App Store -- their store runs as a kernel level service on the tablets and can monitor what you are doing, and their terms of service no doubt indicate they will grab your demographics nicely.

Google is selling the tablet at very low profit margins because they make the money back on your google account. They catalog and analyze everything you read write and buy with your account, even if they don't watch your activity on the tablet itself. They see your searches, they monetize that with their primary source of revenue: advertising.

Sony... doesn't do those things? Yes they know your profile by what you buy on the Store, they could potentially track what you play on the Vita as part of your gaming profile if you happen to be online at the time, and even that goes on and off with the Vita to save battery. Sony tries to make a profit on the handheld, and then makes a royalty on every game sold.

These are two very different models. With Google, Amazon, Microsoft Bing, and Android in general, the consumer is actually the product in many ways. Android exists to keep you using Google services -- why do you think Amazon didn't just decide to use Google's Android instead of making their own flavor of it? They want you in their world so they can watch, analyze, monetize, and sell to you more directly. With Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft, the product is the hardware, the games, and the service offerings.

And before you go down the rabbit hole of saying games are too expensive when so many iOS and Android apps are 99 cents or free, go find out how many iOS and Android developers are making money. Only a select few can live off their game revenue, let alone fund further development.

Until consumers understand that they are selling away their privacy and personal activity data on their tablets and phones in order to bring the price of those devices down, they won't understand a standard-price electronic product like a handheld game device from Nintendo, Sony, or anybody else.

It could be that the era of the dedicated handheld gaming device is over, but I'd wager that Sony is trying to mitigate that with its PlayStation Mobile efforts and services like Music Unlimited, Netflix, YouTube, and other apps on the Vita.

I'm surprised more Android developers aren't going to Vita. Yes the numbers are low for install base but the piracy rate is probably vanishingly small. Android is hacked 10 ways to Sunday -- rooting any phone immediately gets copies of your app thrown into the wild to be side-loaded by whoever wants them at no charge.

I dont know about the rest of you's but this opened my eyes> i got a hunch not to do biz with amazon and it served me correctly. i havebought aything off amazon now i never will.. thank you for confirming that. kudo +1
I got some news for you. It doesn't matter where you go, your activity is going to be tracked somehow. If you want to avoid all tracking activity, go old school get rid of your computer and pay with cash when you go to the store.

Welcome to the 21st century....

its alot thing you can do not to be tracked on your computer last time i check . masking your isp was a internet buisness and was sold in store and online. internet protection from spy ware and etc is as well.. Or just not do biz with them online and save 100 of dollars a year. ill take last way

An furher more im not gonna do biz with amazon for sake your compassion for them, its my money. . i worked for it. . If amazon online want my money they better get a ice water in hell buisness started... and sell it at the gates of them, If stock revenue gain is good enough the 1st 3 qtrs. ill buy

Mcbuttz78
vp-psn legioniaree group

fantasyplayer · ‎02-22-2012

Just checked the forum for the day. In the last month I have been a vita hater, ignorent ,a few other things that aren't important enough to remember and now a sony fanboy. I am moving up in the gaming world arent I.And buy the way as for the boy part. Thank you for the complement. I am most likely old enough to be your father so boy is a complement for me. I keep forgetting that everyone I talk to on here are not adults. I should have said the price is not a problem for most adults. I have eletronic equipment in my house that makes the vita one of the cheep devices I have. I eather save or charge it and pay it off. But anyway, as I said 9 out of every 10 people I know carry a phone device in there pocket that cost at lest 100 dollars or more than the vita. And adults with 10 year old kids playing with 500 dollar tablets. Lower price would be great but if people wanted it they would buy it as is. sony knows what people want out of it from this forum alone not even counting all the many others. They are just not doing what people are asking for right now. That is why I say that they have it tied down right now instead of letting it loose to be all it should and could be. It can only be as great as sony will let it be through the development of it.

JuanMdP · ‎06-20-2012

Sony is too arrogant to suck up their pride and do a price cut. It's not like they aren't losing money as is, Nintendo is a lot of bad things but at least they had the common sense to lower the price when the 3DS didn't sell and reward the people who bought it at launch price with some stuff~.

I own a PSV since day one, but I can afford the luxury. And that's the problem, it's a luxury when in reality, it should be available to most everybody. Why pick a luxury when you go to the store if you can have a 3DS for a lesser price? Sure, it's not as good looking nor powerful, but the price is too sweet for people to pass on~.

Again, as far as I am concerned, this whole year and a month since the PSV launched was a testament of just how arrogant Sony is. Reap what you sow though~.