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Re: Analysts Want $300 PS4

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Way more tempting to do that with Playstation though as you will get PS+ with games to play on your new system.  If it's not backwards compatible (as most are speculating), then this gives you games right off the back, whereas MS will have you pay for LIVE and not have any new games to play on your new system.  Sony has a big advantage in this aspect.  

 

They will lose money, but it is just to get the system into homes.  I'm jumping ship from MS and I know many more doing the same.  Sony can get a ton of consoles into homes this time around, and that means more perks from 3rd parties with games and apps.  

 

I can probably swing $475 or so.  I just hope it's not a deal killer like the PS3 was at launch.

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The tried and true x86 processor scheme is a lot cheaper to manufacture than a truely custom CPU architecture, such as the CELL. Even with the custom modifications, the processor should cost roughly 1/3 the cost of the CELL to manufacture. Most modern pcs are now running x64 processors, so the x86 ones should be pretty cheap to come by. The gddr5 memory is even used in $80 video cards. A lot of people are thinking that the gddr5 memory is going to be expensive. The evga nvidia GeForce GTX 650 has 1gb of gddr5 memory and that card costs $99.99 after rebate ($129 without rebate) on tigerdirect.com. That's not all that bad, since that has a processor for physics and shaders which is most likely to be about 2/3 the cost of the card. So based on that, $43/1gb of gddr5 memory is not going to be all that expensive. Not to mention that Sony will get mass order discounts and things like that.
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Given what has been promised as to what the PS4 will be able to do, the price tag should be above $400

 

-I expect one tier, as sony has always done. We don't want the WiiU market strategy.

-If in order to get the PSN I was promised on the PS PS4 announcement, I have to pay, then so be it. I hope there are two tiers: FREE & PS+.

 

 

--This is jumping on the If realm--

 

If SONY does release two PS4 flavors standard & premium then please someone help me understand what would the difference be. A bigger HDD? A bigger HDD and/or color has  been the lamest marketing strategy for which people have fallen. The strategy works but not with me.

 

So please, what would be the key features that would only be on the premium version that will not handicap the standard version?

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The tried and true x86 processor scheme is a lot cheaper to manufacture than a truely custom CPU architecture, such as the CELL. Even with the custom modifications, the processor should cost roughly 1/3 the cost of the CELL to manufacture. Most modern pcs are now running x64 processors, so the x86 ones should be pretty cheap to come by. The gddr5 memory is even used in $80 video cards. A lot of people are thinking that the gddr5 memory is going to be expensive. The evga nvidia GeForce GTX 650 has 1gb of gddr5 memory and that card costs $99.99 after rebate ($129 without rebate) on tigerdirect.com. That's not all that bad, since that has a processor for physics and shaders which is most likely to be about 2/3 the cost of the card. So based on that, $43/1gb of gddr5 memory is not going to be all that expensive. Not to mention that Sony will get mass order discounts and things like that.

I'm pretty sure the Jaguar is a 64-bit (x64) processor.  The PS4 OS will likely be a 64-bit operating system, but the majority of the games will likely run in 32-bit mode (no real reason they would need to run in 64-bit).  I don't think 32-bit processors are manufactured anymore.

 

This is why all of the specs released so far have it listed as a x86-64 processor.  It (as well as all currently manufactured processors) is capable of running both 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x64) applications simultaneously, as long as the OS runs in 64-bit mode.

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Given what has been promised as to what the PS4 will be able to do, the price tag should be above $400

 

-I expect one tier, as sony has always done. We don't want the WiiU market strategy.

-If in order to get the PSN I was promised on the PS PS4 announcement, I have to pay, then so be it. I hope there are two tiers: FREE & PS+.

 

 

--This is jumping on the If realm--

 

If SONY does release two PS4 flavors standard & premium then please someone help me understand what would the difference be. A bigger HDD? A bigger HDD and/or color has  been the lamest marketing strategy for which people have fallen. The strategy works but not with me.

 

So please, what would be the key features that would only be on the premium version that will not handicap the standard version?


If there are two tiers of hardware released, it will likely be purely the HDD, and there will likely only be about a $50 price difference.

 

I could see a 160GB basic tier ($420) and a 1TB premium tier ($470).  If it has a user-replaceable HDD, there would be no reason to save the $50, buy the basic tier, and upgrade the HDD yourself.  If it doesn't have a user-replaceable HDD, then that...  sucks.

 

I'm hoping that the HDD in the PS4 is a 3.5" HDD (up to 4TB), but I doubt it.  Sony will probably stick with the 2.5" HDD to keep the physical size small(ish).  If they do stick with the 2.5" profile, hopefully they upgrade the bay to a 15mm height (up to 2TB).

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the_ed_85 wrote:
The tried and true x86 processor scheme is a lot cheaper to manufacture than a truely custom CPU architecture, such as the CELL. Even with the custom modifications, the processor should cost roughly 1/3 the cost of the CELL to manufacture. Most modern pcs are now running x64 processors, so the x86 ones should be pretty cheap to come by. The gddr5 memory is even used in $80 video cards. A lot of people are thinking that the gddr5 memory is going to be expensive. The evga nvidia GeForce GTX 650 has 1gb of gddr5 memory and that card costs $99.99 after rebate ($129 without rebate) on tigerdirect.com. That's not all that bad, since that has a processor for physics and shaders which is most likely to be about 2/3 the cost of the card. So based on that, $43/1gb of gddr5 memory is not going to be all that expensive. Not to mention that Sony will get mass order discounts and things like that.

I'm pretty sure the Jaguar is a 64-bit (x64) processor.  The PS4 OS will likely be a 64-bit operating system, but the majority of the games will likely run in 32-bit mode (no real reason they would need to run in 64-bit).  I don't think 32-bit processors are manufactured anymore.

 

This is why all of the specs released so far have it listed as a x86-64 processor.  It (as well as all currently manufactured processors) is capable of running both 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x64) applications simultaneously, as long as the OS runs in 64-bit mode.


 


Exactly.

 

The one thing that was holding the computer consumer world in 32-bit was Microsoft but with Windows 7 they started to force their users to move to x86-64 arquitectures.  Better said, technology forced MS to move forth, today computing, for those of us who still care for desktops, laptops, requires more ram than that supported by a x32-bit arquitecture.

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Xuchilbara wrote:

Given what has been promised as to what the PS4 will be able to do, the price tag should be above $400

 

-I expect one tier, as sony has always done. We don't want the WiiU market strategy.

-If in order to get the PSN I was promised on the PS PS4 announcement, I have to pay, then so be it. I hope there are two tiers: FREE & PS+.

 

 

--This is jumping on the If realm--

 

If SONY does release two PS4 flavors standard & premium then please someone help me understand what would the difference be. A bigger HDD? A bigger HDD and/or color has  been the lamest marketing strategy for which people have fallen. The strategy works but not with me.

 

So please, what would be the key features that would only be on the premium version that will not handicap the standard version?


If there are two tiers of hardware released, it will likely be purely the HDD, and there will likely only be about a $50 price difference.

 

I could see a 160GB basic tier ($420) and a 1TB premium tier ($470).  If it has a user-replaceable HDD, there would be no reason to save the $50, buy the basic tier, and upgrade the HDD yourself.

 

Exactly.

 

 If it doesn't have a user-replaceable HDD, then that...  sucks.

 

This will be a major let down for me and one that would keep from buying the system on day one, not even year one. I see no reason as to why sony would take away this feature that has been around since PS2. The one reason would be for them to introduce a proprietary storage device and/or force preimum service on us.

 

I'm hoping that the HDD in the PS4 is a 3.5" HDD (up to 4TB), but I doubt it.  Sony will probably stick with the 2.5" HDD to keep the physical size small(ish).  If they do stick with the 2.5" profile, hopefully they upgrade the bay to a 15mm height (up to 2TB).

 

I rather we go with the 2TB laptop drive Smiley Tongue  but I do know where you are coming from; you just want to enjoy PSN, gaming without having to worry about running out of space.


 

 

 

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Xuchilbara wrote:

Given what has been promised as to what the PS4 will be able to do, the price tag should be above $400

 

-I expect one tier, as sony has always done. We don't want the WiiU market strategy.

-If in order to get the PSN I was promised on the PS PS4 announcement, I have to pay, then so be it. I hope there are two tiers: FREE & PS+.

 

 

--This is jumping on the If realm--

 

If SONY does release two PS4 flavors standard & premium then please someone help me understand what would the difference be. A bigger HDD? A bigger HDD and/or color has  been the lamest marketing strategy for which people have fallen. The strategy works but not with me.

 

So please, what would be the key features that would only be on the premium version that will not handicap the standard version?


Every report has mentioned there being two models, rumored to have a $100 difference in price between them. A different hard drive size would be the safe bet, but it could also differ in terms of accessories too, such as cables or the Eye, etc. Nobody knows for sure just yet, so you'll probably have to wait until E3. It would be wise to include a second controller in the more expensive model...I hate how consoles nowadays only come with one, but I digress.

 

It has already been stated that online multiplayer will remain free...they're not going to an XBL model. Details have not been confirmed, but it seems likely that there will be two subscription tiers: 1) PS+ only, as it is now, and 2) PS+ & Gaikai. It is unclear whether Sony will allow you to subscribe to just Gaikai without PS+. But if so, PS4 users would essentially have four options if you count not subscribing to any service as one of them.

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Xuchilbara wrote:

Given what has been promised as to what the PS4 will be able to do, the price tag should be above $400

 

-I expect one tier, as sony has always done. We don't want the WiiU market strategy.

-If in order to get the PSN I was promised on the PS PS4 announcement, I have to pay, then so be it. I hope there are two tiers: FREE & PS+.

 

 

--This is jumping on the If realm--

 

If SONY does release two PS4 flavors standard & premium then please someone help me understand what would the difference be. A bigger HDD? A bigger HDD and/or color has  been the lamest marketing strategy for which people have fallen. The strategy works but not with me.

 

So please, what would be the key features that would only be on the premium version that will not handicap the standard version?


Every report has mentioned there being two models, rumored to have a $100 difference in price between them. A different hard drive size would be the safe bet, but it could also differ in terms of accessories too, such as cables or the Eye, etc. Nobody knows for sure just yet, so you'll probably have to wait until E3. It would be wise to include a second controller in the more expensive model...I hate how consoles nowadays only come with one, but I digress.

 

It has already been stated that online multiplayer will remain free...they're not going to an XBL model. Details have not been confirmed, but it seems likely that there will be two subscription tiers: 1) PS+ only, as it is now, and 2) PS+ & Gaikai. It is unclear whether Sony will allow you to subscribe to just Gaikai without PS+. But if so, PS4 users would essentially have four options if you count not subscribing to any service as one of them.


If there is a $100 difference in cost, it is likely the 'core system' ($420) vs a 'bundle' ($520).  Much like the PS3 has been in the last couple of years.

 

The more expensive tier would have both a much larger HDD and a game or two.  Or alternatively, include 2 years of PS+ or a year of PS+ & Gaikai.

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The Xbox 720 costs $299 if you sign a two year contract at $15 a month so youre paying $660 total over two years

There is no reason that Sony cant likewise sell a $199 PS4 if you sign a two year contract at $15 a month so youre paying $560 total over two years

This whole "monthly cost" XBOX rumor boggles my mind. I know a few people who are excited about this, but do they think to themselves for one minute what would happen if they (for some reason) get behind on the payments?

Or can't make them at all? (lost job, have other priorities/responsibilities, etc. Life happens.)

 

Will Microsoft send someone to their house to repo their console? lol

Or will they simply just lock it some how, via internet connection, until they continue making payments?

 

Seems like too much to worry about. I'd rather buy my console up-front, than have to worry about another monthly payment.

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