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Couldn't the same arguement be used with Crash then Noc ? (which I personally agree with, but people still want him in, so Lara's inclusion should also be just as warranted).

Crash is like Mario, regardless of how bad a Crash game can be everyone will love him.  Lara on the other hand has had so many bad games that everyone avoids her games these days and the love for her is gone.  With this new game coming which suppose to revive Tomb Raider is getting backed by Microsoft.  Let me put it like this, would you represent someone your rival will make more money off of?

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Re: What if we got Lara Croft, but the new one?

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jamcakes wrote:
I agree with you that only a small margin of gamers today would appreciate the PSOne history, though I'm sure a great deal of gamers today would know what a PSOne was - I'm not sure how this argument is relevant considering Parappa was included. Do you think that Parappa's relatively distant roots aren't as much of a problem as Lara's because he is undeniably a safe, uncomplicated Playstation character? I could understand that, but it seems a real shame that the roster is largely made up of what they 'could' get rather than what they 'should' have got.

That said, I'm glad in some ways as I doubt Sir Daniel would have been given as much attention if they actually had access to every character they considered worthy of a spot, Playstation exclusive or not.

Parappa was on the PS2 as an exclusive and Sir Dan was on the PSP.  Everyone knows what a PS2 and a PSP is.  There's a difference of being know for being Exclusive on the PS2 and PSP and being known for having too many terrible mulitplatform games since the PS2 days.


I don't see how the quality of the games matters. I thought MediEvil: Resurrection was a bad game, but still feel he deserves a spot because of his legacy on Playstation. For me personally, whether she was multiplatform or not makes no difference - Tomb Raider in comparison has been both popular and consistent in sales. If 'everyone knows what a PS2 and a PSP is' then they will know exactly who Lara Croft is, but from here we disagree on how important her multiplatform activity as of late is when considering her inclusion as a Playstation All-Star. I think her Playstation 1 legacy (and the fact that Playstation is the only platform which is home to every major Tomb Raider release) is enough to merit her inclusion, I'm sure many think otherwise.

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no one is going out of their way to hate new dante sohail, lets be honest hge has nothing that says hes dante except for the name nothing at all,gameplay personality, looks, hes not dante, i mean come on the only thing he has similar to the real dante is ebony and ivory, rebellion never turned into a sythe/axe, ive played the demo of the new game hoping it woyuld prove me wrong despite my fears but it didnt, besides who the heck goes out of their way to hate a game/character unless theyve earned it, im not hating on new lara, im not hating on raiden, i didnt hate on the 08 prince, i dont hate on new crash(except for his crap mutant/titans games)
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I'd prefer the old Lara since she's more iconic, but her new game looks fantastic so I wouldn't mind new Lara.

 

Same reason why I don't have much of a problem with SuperBot including new Dante instead of old.  Yeah old is more iconic, and I would have preferred to have him. But if the new game still looks pretty good (and plays well based off the demo I played), and still feels like DMC, then I don't really mind if we get new Dante instead.

 

It's also the reason why I don't want to see SuperBot use new Crash and new Spyro, because their games were terrible and were not appreciated by their fanbases. It just wasn't Crash Bandicoot anymore. If new Crash gets in, people will just be reminded of new Crash's terrible gameplay, when they'd rather be reminded about old Crash's classic gameplay. Old Crash or No Crash, I say.

 

 

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Re: What if we got Lara Croft, but the new one?

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jamcakes wrote:

Nocturnal__Gamer wrote:

jamcakes wrote:
I agree with you that only a small margin of gamers today would appreciate the PSOne history, though I'm sure a great deal of gamers today would know what a PSOne was - I'm not sure how this argument is relevant considering Parappa was included. Do you think that Parappa's relatively distant roots aren't as much of a problem as Lara's because he is undeniably a safe, uncomplicated Playstation character? I could understand that, but it seems a real shame that the roster is largely made up of what they 'could' get rather than what they 'should' have got.

That said, I'm glad in some ways as I doubt Sir Daniel would have been given as much attention if they actually had access to every character they considered worthy of a spot, Playstation exclusive or not.

Parappa was on the PS2 as an exclusive and Sir Dan was on the PSP.  Everyone knows what a PS2 and a PSP is.  There's a difference of being know for being Exclusive on the PS2 and PSP and being known for having too many terrible mulitplatform games since the PS2 days.


I don't see how the quality of the games matters. I thought MediEvil: Resurrection was a bad game, but still feel he deserves a spot because of his legacy on Playstation. For me personally, whether she was multiplatform or not makes no difference - Tomb Raider in comparison has been both popular and consistent in sales. If 'everyone knows what a PS2 and a PSP is' then they will know exactly who Lara Croft is, but from here we disagree on how important her multiplatform activity as of late is when considering her inclusion as a Playstation All-Star. I think her Playstation 1 legacy (and the fact that Playstation is the only platform which is home to every major Tomb Raider release) is enough to merit her inclusion, I'm sure many think otherwise.


You're gonna need more than PSOne love to get it, you need a legacy that has matched its beginnings.  No one cares about Lara Coft anymore and they didn't care about her during the Tomb Raider movies.  Everyone cared about Angelina Jolie, for taht brief moment Tomb Raider popular in pop-culture not because it was any good but because the lead actor was hot.  Since the PSOne Tomb Raider has fallen.  It has been conistent with low sales as of lately.  Like I said the revival being backed by Microsoft kinda throws out here PSOne legacy and replaces it with a new start with Microsoft support.

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Her new game looks fantastic, so why not?

 

Same reason why I don't have much of a problem with SuperBot including new Dante instead of old.  Yeah old is more iconic, and I probably would have preferred to have him. But if the new game still looks pretty good (and plays well based off the demo I played), and still feels like DMC, then I don't really mind if we get new Dante instead.

 

I'd prefer Old Lara Croft but don't have a problem with them using the newer one.


Her new game does look great but it's being backed by Microsoft, would you represent something your rival makes more money off of?

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Nocturnal__Gamer wrote:

S-o-h-a-i-l wrote:
Couldn't the same arguement be used with Crash then Noc ? (which I personally agree with, but people still want him in, so Lara's inclusion should also be just as warranted).

Crash is like Mario, regardless of how bad a Crash game can be everyone will love him.  Lara on the other hand has had so many bad games that everyone avoids her games these days and the love for her is gone.  With this new game coming which suppose to revive Tomb Raider is getting backed by Microsoft.  Let me put it like this, would you represent someone your rival will make more money off of?


This is just plain wrong! Tomb Raider: Anniversary and Tomb Raider: Underworld both outsold Crash: Mind Over Mutant and Crash of the Titans. This is the only measure we have to say whether anyone truly 'avoids her games these days', if the love for Lara is gone then the same goes for Crash but we both know this isn't the case. If Crash is to be considered despite his 'mating with multiplatforms' then so should Lara. 

 

Your statement in bold does make a lot of sense though, but I still don't see how her inclusion in a game about Playstation All-Stars would affect sales for X-Box 360 enough to warrant keeping her out. If anything it would boost sales for the Playstation edition of the game, after all the promotion of Lara Croft, if we can even call it that, would be in a Playstation game about her place at Playstation!

 

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Then you should be able to appreciate the fact that the series is being represented, even if its not with the Dante you prefer - that's all I'm saying. People have the right to be disappointed with new Dantes inclusion, but they gotta appreciate the fact that Dante made it in.

@Noc - Hmm, I don't know. Lara's inclusion in the roster would increase PSABR & Tomb Raider on the PS3's sales, as well as relate the character back to the PS3 as well. It's a win win situation for both rival companies.
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Re: What if we got Lara Croft, but the new one?

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Nocturnal__Gamer wrote:

jamcakes wrote:

Nocturnal__Gamer wrote:

jamcakes wrote:
I agree with you that only a small margin of gamers today would appreciate the PSOne history, though I'm sure a great deal of gamers today would know what a PSOne was - I'm not sure how this argument is relevant considering Parappa was included. Do you think that Parappa's relatively distant roots aren't as much of a problem as Lara's because he is undeniably a safe, uncomplicated Playstation character? I could understand that, but it seems a real shame that the roster is largely made up of what they 'could' get rather than what they 'should' have got.

That said, I'm glad in some ways as I doubt Sir Daniel would have been given as much attention if they actually had access to every character they considered worthy of a spot, Playstation exclusive or not.

Parappa was on the PS2 as an exclusive and Sir Dan was on the PSP.  Everyone knows what a PS2 and a PSP is.  There's a difference of being know for being Exclusive on the PS2 and PSP and being known for having too many terrible mulitplatform games since the PS2 days.


I don't see how the quality of the games matters. I thought MediEvil: Resurrection was a bad game, but still feel he deserves a spot because of his legacy on Playstation. For me personally, whether she was multiplatform or not makes no difference - Tomb Raider in comparison has been both popular and consistent in sales. If 'everyone knows what a PS2 and a PSP is' then they will know exactly who Lara Croft is, but from here we disagree on how important her multiplatform activity as of late is when considering her inclusion as a Playstation All-Star. I think her Playstation 1 legacy (and the fact that Playstation is the only platform which is home to every major Tomb Raider release) is enough to merit her inclusion, I'm sure many think otherwise.


You're gonna need more than PSOne love to get it, you need a legacy that has matched its beginnings.  No one cares about Lara Coft anymore and they didn't care about her during the Tomb Raider movies.  Everyone cared about Angelina Jolie, for taht brief moment Tomb Raider popular in pop-culture not because it was any good but because the lead actor was hot.  Since the PSOne Tomb Raider has fallen.  It has been conistent with low sales as of lately.  Like I said the revival being backed by Microsoft kinda throws out here PSOne legacy and replaces it with a new start with Microsoft support.


I'm sorry but you are just wrong. I've never played a single Tomb Raider game and Lara should be in this game because she is THAT iconic and I think of the PSone when I think of Lara Croft. That and the pair of movies she inspired. She's one of the biggest video game characters of all time and helped define the PSone to the point of even people who haven't played her games know who she is.

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Re: What if we got Lara Croft, but the new one?

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You're gonna need more than PSOne love to get it, you need a legacy that has matched its beginnings.  No one cares about Lara Coft anymore and they didn't care about her during the Tomb Raider movies.  Everyone cared about Angelina Jolie, for taht brief moment Tomb Raider popular in pop-culture not because it was any good but because the lead actor was hot.  Since the PSOne Tomb Raider has fallen.  It has been conistent with low sales as of lately.  Like I said the revival being backed by Microsoft kinda throws out here PSOne legacy and replaces it with a new start with Microsoft support.


Low sales? Tomb Raider still remains to be one of the best-selling franchises to date, at the very least in comparison with the rest of the roster. Her legacy is not 'thrown out' in the slightest. Imagine the Tomb Raider movies never happened, in fact LONG before they were even in production Lara Croft was a universal figure who exploded into pop culture like no other gaming character ever has.

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