11-29-2012 11:50 AM
Since a lot of people are unable to do such things as dodge roll and block, here's another extensive list of a lot of great moves each and every character can do to get past his 'spam'. Again these are for no-lag situations so if you cry about lag, that's not Sackboy's fault, thats netcode fault, blame the netcode.
Most of these situations assume that you're facing one who has locked away in a corner with an electric pad, spamming cake after cake.
Kratos: Block, and use his chain grab. Yes, its spammed a lot but if you use it according to this situation it greatly punishes Sackboy. Chain grab also bypasses electric pads. Second, use his parry, because you can send that right back at him. Third, use his charging shield attack as this negates projectiles.
Parappa: Block, and use his microphone pull. Make sure you're in range otherwise your recovery frames will outlast Sackboy's recovery frames. This will pull Sackboy out of the corner and into a much more attackable position. Lets just say it 'calls him out'.
Fat Princess: Mages Fireball, while dodge rolling. What this will do is, if you time it right, you can bypass Sackboys cake, and the fireball will either hit the eletric pad or it will hit Sackboy for a good 20AP. The Knight is also great for removing the electric pad before you can get in. Remember, dodge roll is your friend.
Sweet Tooth: In all seriousness the matchup here is skewed ridiculously in Sackboy's favor. However, Tooth's fire breath can sometimes make cakes disappear before they can hit him if you're fast enough. His fire bottle throw is also a great tool here as, if you can throw them just right, you can sometimes push Sacks out of his hole. Impractical but still good. Also, Sweet Tooth's Level 1 bypasses the electric pad, so block the cake and use the kick.
Colonel Radec: Radec actually has the upper hand here. While Sackboy's cakes are good, they can't go fullscreen because they arc downwards after shot. Use continuous electric grenade and electric laser shots to make the cake disappear, while you're using your sniper rifle to shoot him out of his hole.
Sly Cooper: Sly's matchup against Sackboy is ridiclously skewed in his favor. Using Parry will instantly pull you over to Sackboy regardless of where he is. Using his explosive barrel you can walk over the electric pad and blow him out of cover. Using his teleport will put you on the other side of him, away from a pad. All in all, be patient, because you've got the upper hand.
Nathan Drake: Cover, blind fire from cover, and a running machine gun are perfect. Using grenade and grenade launcher are also good but much less practical. With the machinegun fire it'll instantly take out the cake and put you closer to Sacks. Barrels are also good for the occasion; throw one and rush yourself in. Lastly, use his wire to bypass the electric pad, and especially use it after a blocked cake.
Cole MacGrath: FROST SHIELD. Seriously. Frost Shield with some sticky grenades, redirect grenades, and maybe the Ice Barrier. Ice Barrier especially if you're right in front of a pad but can't get in, and right after a blocked cake.
Evil Cole: His Bounce Grenade is perfect for this. It travels in a safer arc than Sackboy's cakes, can be thrown more often, and can destroy the cakes if need be. Second, his Nightmare Blast can both destroy a pad and cake, and send Sackboy flying out of the corner.
Ratchet: The problem with this matchup is that both Ratchet and Sackboy are zoning characters. Therefore to pull him out you should get just in range and use the sniper rifle, along with the ground drones. This will put you out of range of the cakes, and sometimes even a charged shot will go 'through' the cakes to hit.
Jak: The zoning here is a much larger problem for Jak than it is for Sackboy, To really do good, make sure you're in range with your guns, but cautious enough to dodge a cake if need be. Make sure you always have one of those spinning air turrets in play, as if a cake goes near it, the cake will be destroyed immediately as well as any pads that might be put down. Second, Needle Laser and Yellow Rifle.
Big Daddy: Rush that sucker down. Your Rush has super armor, which is just enough to get in and smack Sackboy out of the corner. The other great tool is the Electric Plasmid since that's faster than a cake launch, and can set him up for some pain.
Dante: Parry. Parry will immediately block any incoming projectiles and give no AP to Sackboy. Second, block, dodge roll, and Dash.
Heihachi: Abuse the hell out of his ground wave dash. That thing can get past nearly everything in the game, including Level 3 supers.
Nariko: Chain Pull. If you're good enough you can set up a Stun Punch, which with enough practice can go into 80AP combos. Chain Pull is the best move in Nariko's arsenal and isn't used nearly enough. In a situation like this its absolutely perfect. It goes past a cake, and it pulls Sackboy out of the corner and into the fray.
Raiden: Use his down-circle disappear slash often. Its a teleport, so you will go 'past' both the pad and cake. This situation is bad for Raiden but if you pull Sackboy out of the corner the tables turn quite fast.
Sackboy: Yeah, I know, Sackboy tips against Sackboy?! Insanity. Anyways, don't spam cake. Cake is a horrible move to use as it has a heck of a lot of punishing frames. Use both a combination of Jetpack Dashes, and Checkpoints. Checkpoints allow you to move back if you need extra time to set up. Second, his Jetpack Dash will go through a cake and electric pad, and even break guard if the other Sack recovers in time.
Sir MANiel Fortesque: This matchup is actually skewed in Danny's favor. Take up your shield, and put down your head for it to crawl over to Sackboy. Block any cakes. Or, charge your way through the cakes with shield in hand.
Spike: Use his B Launcher to stun and remove any Electric Pads. Use Spike's teleport to get around the pad and cakes. Use Spike's hulahoop to rush past and attack and knock him out of the corner. Spike has a lot of tools for this situation.
Toro: Ninja Style is the greatest thing you have here. Using Scorpion Pulls, and Shadow Teleports, Sackboy will 'need' to be on the run to escape your ninja fury.
Oh, and for all characters: BLOCK. Seriously, you have no idea how amazing blocking really is. Oh, and if Sackboy's getting too close to Level 3? Throw him. Steal his power. Make him your Hacky Sack.
11-29-2012 11:56 AM
The Dante one isn't really all that helpful.
It works fine if you parry in midair and drop yourself purposely on the electric pad while doing so, then you give him hell. But to parry incoming cakes? That's horrible advice!
11-29-2012 11:57 AM - last edited on 11-29-2012 12:39 PM by space_cape
holy **bleep** you just wrote a novel there xD
Edit: profanity removed
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