11-30-2012 10:40 AM - edited 11-30-2012 10:42 AM
I think it's more to the fact that sackboy is largely powerful in a FFA environment, which majority play. In 2v2 in the right hands of the right team he CAN be good, but that's depending on the team.
Sackboy's metagame largely follows: How much attention are you putting towards him?
In a FFA he dominates due to the other three being involved in combos and such he can just sit in a corner and net AP like crazy (he has 3 targets to hit). Even if one of them or even TWO of them attempt to go in on Sackboy, the remaining will try to cash in on their loss of focus and disrupt them from doing so.
It's also not really so much that he builds his AP fast, but more concerned that his Level 3 is the (tied with 3 others) lowest to activate.
In fact, I think the only other 3 characters that have 600 AP to activate their Level 3 (opposed to the common 750 AP) are PaRappa, Toro, and Heihachi (all instant KOs, with no potential for more than what's on the screen). That's what also makes pepole say he needs to be nerfed (6 free KOs for the lowest AP cost in the game).
There's reasoning as to why the character needs to be a bit more balanced, though a lot of people complaining just state they need a nerf with very minor details and complaints.
As for Kratos, people just need to block more, his forward+Square is nulled by blocking.
EDIT: Forgot to put this:
In 1v1 matches he doesn't have anything to distract his opponents, so he's in huge trouble with probably all the characters in the game. Also you really shouldn't ever focus a Level 3 in a 1v1, that's just poor meter management (most of the time anyways).
11-30-2012 10:40 AM
1.i changed the topic when i mentioned spamming... welcome to a forum
2. you cant tell me you dont spam woth sackboy, its inevitable.
3. nice to see a common shoplifter!? haha
4. as i said before, there is no doubt, sackboy players spam, i am a blackbelt lvl 700 with sackboy, i know how it works.
5.doesnt matter, 1v1 can only be done through friends, and see'ing as sackboy only wins in FFA thats the only place we see him spam,ing and eventually winning, so yes, he will be nerfed, doesnt matter if he is bad at 1v1 (even thugh he really isnt) he doesnt allow other players in FFA a chance... he will be nerfed
11-30-2012 10:52 AM
11-30-2012 10:56 AM
you use several different moves huh!? haha what cake,gew,cake,gew? lol! and dont get all mad bout the shoplifting this it was a joke, no need to get uptight....unless you really do shoplift... in that case find help. and learn to read, i dont spam cause i quite using sackboy. ....and dont get all personal about it bro, its a forum.
11-30-2012 11:06 AM
11-30-2012 11:08 AM
while you may use his moves correctly, a majority (allmost all) sackboy players use him to spam attackes, and that needs to be addressed.
11-30-2012 11:13 AM
11-30-2012 11:52 AM
The only thing I think would be good for his lvl 3 is to replicate raidens level 3 so you don't know where they are and you have to hunt them.
But his lvl 3 is kinda usless in a 2v2 or 1v1 because of the time to respawn. Especially on big maps like invasion or dreamscape
Yeah, that would be helpful, but people would rather see then simply not respawn in the bubbles.
11-30-2012 12:09 PM
So... tell me if the Nerfs I suggested earlier would be unfair in your eyes...
Same thing for lvl 3. Respawn out of bubbles (or shorter timer)
Spam penalty, where if you use the cakinator more than two or three times in a row, the AP gain if halved until you use another move and it goes back to normal.