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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

Feb 4, 2013
It isn't cheap.

Guess what, I've lost to confirms too. Instead of complaining, I try to get better and BEAT those people.
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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

Feb 4, 2013

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Convince me they ruin this game.

Suppose I'll copy and paste again.

 

[This is my post from a thread asking people on their thoughts about Kill Confirms. The thread didn't recieve much traffic, so it was pretty quiet, but my post was rell-recieved and managed to earn 7 kudos relatively quickly with no arguements to follow. Because of this, I believe it to be a good idea to copy and paste it in this thread.]

 

 

"I've spoken about my thoughts on Kill Confirms several times in this forum. Usually during times of frustration against the game or other people in general. This time, I'll try to clearly portray my thoughts in a calm matter and hope that it'll broaden peoples' views on this matter.

 

For the most part, I am against Kill Confirms. I only rely on them when I play as Spike and Sackboy -- Aerial B-Launcher and Electric Panel respectively -- but I feel that those are acceptable due to the short opportunity you have to land Supers with those set-ups. Either way, no matter what excuse I make, I'm still a hypocrite. I think this will add to a point I'll be making soon, though.

 

I personally believe that Kill Confirms makes matches stale. Due to their nature to very easily combo into a Super, they remove a lot of the depth during matches. Those who rely on Kill Confirms have very little to no reason to use any other Super other than Level 1. They're basically ignoring a large part of their characters' ability. I can't really fault them, either, when all that matters to them is winning. Kill Confirms into Level 1 Supers (or even Level 2 in some cases) are quick, cheap, and efficient. 

 

On another note. I wish to quickly address this. When people defend Kill Confirms by saying all you have to do is dodge, block, or jump, I really want to make this clear that being defensive in a fighting game is common sense. There is no need to repeat to people the bare basics of the game just to back up your point. It does not make your argument any stronger. All you are doing is indirectly calling the person you are telling this to a simpleton. Yes, there is skill involved avoiding Kill Confirms and Supers in general. No, it's not that hard to do so. This does not in any way negate how easy it is to land Kill Confirms and gain kills. All that you'd have to do is change up your tactics to make yourself less predictable. Which is also a very normal thing to do in a fighting game. This goes into my next point.

 

Kill Confirms numb the skill of people who rely on them. There's little technical ability being used when people get into their mind that, 'all I have to do is land this one move and Super right after'. On the other hand, there's quite a bit more technical ability used when a person starts thinking, 'perhaps if I can hit them with that and follow up with that, I can catch them off guard and land the Super'. The sheer nature of Kill Confirms keep people from trying their hardest since they makes things so much easier. This is where my argument comes from that Kill Confirms hurt the game tremendously. Watching two skilled players fight. Seeing all these combos that are incredibly difficult to pull off. All that intensity . . . immediately diminishes once you see them Kill Confirming. There's no, "Oh,snap!" moments that come from that. Just, "Hmm, he got him." 

 

There's also the other moral argument when it comes to Kill Confirms and sportsmanship that I don't really need to get into. There's an honor system a group of players, including myself (save for the hypocrisy that occurs when I use Sackboy or Spike), employ when playing this game that makes them refuse using any Kill Confirms at all. Which leads to them gaining more respect when they win. Hopefully, from both sides of the argument. 

 

I hoped this made things easier to understand from the opposing side."

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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

Feb 4, 2013
Hard to say when matches are random. Half the time you won't see those people again.
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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

Feb 4, 2013

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SteepMatt wrote:

And yes the mechanics in the game......show me the part of the mechanics in written xpress form where it says use kill confirms the whole match to win..........I would shut up if you do


Well, the game also includes making proper reads, whoing when to block, when to poke, tech chase, learn a wake up game.

 

And if the opponent does that BETTER then you they can use their confirms and you can't. That's how you win or don't win.


What does reads have to do with it lol I you can read your opponent the best in the world you still won't stop tfroufrou telling the same combo to you the whole match how will you escape it when they get you in a combo? You can't possibly escape 50 attempts of a combo

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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

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Aylas_Hero wrote:
It isn't cheap.

Guess what, I've lost to confirms too. Instead of complaining, I try to get better and BEAT those people.

Now you're saying I'm complaining.....where exactly am I complaining?? I lost cool...and I beat those same people as well there is no such thing as complaining and this is not what I am doing I lost to kill confirms so what? Cheap wins just like I said that is the end of it I take it as a sign of being too scared to lose not as a sign of using to win

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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

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If they use the SAME combo by that point you should know how to punish it. I mean, if people only tried to use the same move on my all match, I'd CRUSH them. They would be AP dolls. essentially as you knew their moves ahead of time. Almost like a practice mode.

Gale, you have presented the only argument that might have some logic. However, I would recommend watch some of the matches on Dabuz18's channel. See how hard it is sometimes when two playerrs at equal skills are duking it out to land a confirm, and how punishable a failed confirm can even be! Some of the matches there are the most exciting I have EVER seen online. And there are many matches like that happening online ALL the time!
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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

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Also, I'm not sure why not using confirms makes you less honorable. That makes little sense, though I know some of the community feels that way. Sure, winning without them might feel good, but some of the people I know show up to my tournaments will THRASH an opponent who refuses to use them. Not using them is THAT bad of a decision. Why deny yourself the use of your whole kit?
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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

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what gale is saying is the embodiment of what I am trying to get across but am being misunderstood......I have nothing more to add nice conversation but abuse of kill confirms will always be cheap and dirty in my eyes if you're as good as you say just play and prove it...nice chat

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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

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Well, I responded to Gale. Respond to that. O_O

I mean, you just keep denying what I say and not presenting evidence.

At least Gal wrote up something concise that made some sense in a way. Gale, props for presenting an argument. Something most people don't do.
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Re: It takes no skill to kill confirm

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I've seen a couple here and there. Don't watch a lot since they don't particularly interest me.

Those kind of matches are pretty much exactly what I address in my post, though.
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