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Zeus' armour has holes in it- moves like RAdec's sniper and big attacks will break through it.

 

Hes actually really easy to beat, but maybe i only think that because im a Zeus main, and know his weakness.

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Is this your video? Holy **bleep** is it biased and wrong.



It pulled out one of my buddy's combo videos to show Dante as OP, except that the combos he was doing all start off of moves that were super unsafe on block before the patch, which meant any time he played any good player as any other character, he had a VERY uphill battle ahead of him.
I personally know we did the Dante/BD matchup countless times, and it's closer to even now after the patch than it has ever been. Before the patch the only thing I needed to do to beat Dante was block then punish with a full combo.

On top of that, the combos showcased in ProjectSeoul's combo videos are NOT easy to execute, at all. In a 2v2 or FFA smart players will interrupt them before they finish, and in a 1v1 it's even easier to dodge the combo starting moves. Hell, jumping beats all of his combos, and even now blocking hurts Dante a lot if you know how to punish him for trying to dash cancel on block.

He also says Devil Trigger is ridiculous, when at best it can get 6 kills in a FFA, and that's only if the opponents are braindead. For a level 3 it is incredibly sub-par. I mean it's better than screen cleaners, but that's it.

Dante did get much stronger, but saying he didn't need a buff? Obviously someone either didn't play him, wasn't very good or both.



The 8 kill super for Zeus is either due to A) the instant kill glitch when it starts. which is stupid as hell, or B) people being bad and canceling respawn invincibility.


Raiden for example, is quite good now, but it's unbelievable to call him OP. He has VERY much been nerfed, and if you know how to punish him, it's pretty easy to do so. He can be grabbed by every character on block from his aerials. He can be zoned out quite easily still by good zoners like Ratchet and Isaac. In fact, he literally can't fight Isaac ( http://youtu.be/Lisz_KQd5D4 ).
His level 1 is indeed really good, but it is much easier to interrupt now, and it takes longer for the hitbox to activate, allowing you to dodge it on reaction.
Don't get me wrong, his disjoincts, godly level 2 and all around amazing supers, speed and mobility mixed with his new ability to actually do something with his grabs make him a good character again, but best in the game? Hardly. These changes just made him competitively viable again (And no, he wasn't before 1.10. He has been absent from tournaments since the nerf to his forward throw, and even before then he'd stopped placing because good players know how to fight him).



It is interesting though that the character with the fastest start up AND safest on block move, as well as the one with the most air to ground confirms was suspiciously absent from this list, despite being on top of every tier list to date since her release, being in fact banned from almost all tournaments. I am of course speaking of Kat, who remains suspiciously absent from this list, despite the lack of ANY bad matchups, which every other character on this list had.

We also lack the single best zoner in the game right now and character with the most confirms in the game at the moment, as well as amazing supers and extremely high AP gain, as well as some of the best mobility, amazing escape tools (second only to sackboy) and ridiculous amount of stage control as well as the ability to combo off of any stray hit for a burst or KC from more or less any distance. I am of course talking about one of my mains, Good Cole, who was already top tier and got nothing but buffs while the rest of the top tiers got nerfed. Yet he's suspiciously absent...


All in all, this video is much less based on facts and much more of a "I hate this character" thing. I swear the word overpowered is thrown around too much in games these days...
Most arguments seem to revolve around "Level 2 can multi-kill and level 3 gets 5 kills!". Most level 2s, and even a lot of level 1s multikill, and 5 is about the average amount of kills with a level 3. Sackboy can get up to 7-8 consistently. Big Daddy can get 7 as well, and 4 off of his level 2. Those numbers are assuming we don't cancel respawn invincibility. As Big Daddy I've managed 6 kills with a level 2 before, but that was because the opponents were bad and canceled their respawn invincibility. Does this make him OP too?


I'm not saying this game is perfectly balanced; it very obviously isn't. It is also glitchy as hell. That being said, please make sure you know what you're talking about and test this stuff against good opponents to see if they know how to get around these "OP" characters and tactics before claiming things are broken. While you had a few legitimate complaints in there, they were few and far between.

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Fromundaman wrote:
CyborgHippo is handsome


Reasonable points,and edited your post to prevent my post being long.

Click click click click click click click click................... I need to get off the forums.
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@Fromundaman, That was beautiful bro. Kudos
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@Fro

On the money man. 


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OP is a phaggot. 

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^^ really? The OP said he found this video, he didn't make it himself. Don't assume.

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CyborgHippo wrote:

Fromundaman wrote:
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Reasonable points,and edited your post to prevent my post being long.


Such an eloquent summary. You should be my personal editor.

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This thread escalated QUICKLY :s

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