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What exactly is a reball?

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So after 3 and a half years my 60 gig got YLOD. My mom is offering to buy the 160 gig slim for $300 but online I saw a reball, that apparently fixes it? But its like $140 plus shipping and handling and I have the extra money to burn for a slim.

 

But I want to know what a reball is

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Aug 23, 2010
im guessing its a refurbished ps3 which is a used one not urs but a fixed one but i would just get the slim instead better and u get a 1 year warrenty with it as well
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Aug 23, 2010

The PS3 processors are attached to the motherboard with solder balls. Over time, heat can cause these connections to stress and crack. A reflow heats up the solder in order to get it malleable enough to reform a broken connection, but the resulting connection still isn't as strong as it was originally. A reball means that someone completely removes the old solder from the motherboard and chip and reattaches the chip with new solder balls. This is a stronger fix than a reflow, but still isn't perfect, since the motherboard itself might have started to warp.

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Aug 23, 2010

PyrrhusRex wrote:

The PS3 processors are attached to the motherboard with solder balls. Over time, heat can cause these connections to stress and crack. A reflow heats up the solder in order to get it malleable enough to reform a broken connection, but the resulting connection still isn't as strong as it was originally. A reball means that someone completely removes the old solder from the motherboard and chip and reattaches the chip with new solder balls. This is a stronger fix than a reflow, but still isn't perfect, since the motherboard itself might have started to warp.


that is correct i think gophermods is offering it or there going to offer it

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PyrrhusRex wrote:

The PS3 processors are attached to the motherboard with solder balls. Over time, heat can cause these connections to stress and crack. A reflow heats up the solder in order to get it malleable enough to reform a broken connection, but the resulting connection still isn't as strong as it was originally. A reball means that someone completely removes the old solder from the motherboard and chip and reattaches the chip with new solder balls. This is a stronger fix than a reflow, but still isn't perfect, since the motherboard itself might have started to warp.


this and IMO If you are being offered a new PS3 i would go for the new one.

 

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Aug 23, 2010

for a 60gig i'd go for the reball...but that is just personal preference since i like 4 USB ports and the Memory Slots comes in handy..

 

if you go for the new ps3 interested in selling your 60gig to me?

 

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Aug 24, 2010

i for sure would sell it i have no use for it

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PyrrhusRex wrote:

The PS3 processors are attached to the motherboard with solder balls. Over time, heat can cause these connections to stress and crack. A reflow heats up the solder in order to get it malleable enough to reform a broken connection, but the resulting connection still isn't as strong as it was originally. A reball means that someone completely removes the old solder from the motherboard and chip and reattaches the chip with new solder balls. This is a stronger fix than a reflow, but still isn't perfect, since the motherboard itself might have started to warp.


 

right, plus this problem can potentially recur because of the nature of the ps3's heat cycle and how the cpu and gpu are applied to the motherboard. BGAs( ball grid arrays) are notorious for failing on much cooler running components than the Cell procesor and RSX graphics chip in the ps3, so the ps3 is far from elusive to this problem. plain and simple, BGAs are cheaper to design and manufacture, but they are more likely to fail than a traditional PGA(pin grid array) that is used in a desktop PC. no matter what way you fix a YLOD PS3, it will eventually die again, because a BGA was used instead of a PGA. however, a reballing, if done correctly can be a more permanent fix for a ps3. oh, and though the processor runs really hot in the ps3, the GPU solder joints are mostly the reason why the YLOD occurs. one thing that should be realized is that we are entering an age where multitasking devices are evolving, but with more features comes lesser quality components to keep the cost at least somewhat affordable. bottom line is, people want these multitasking devices that break often. it couldn't be more evident by all the people that say stuff breaks, deal with it and getting mad props for such here. it is true that stuff breaks, but when the same device breaks for the same reason thousands of times, it is safe to say there is most definately a problem with the device, whether it be a manufacturing or design defect. if a certain model of car broke down thousands of times for the same reason, there would probably be a recall on it. but here in video game world, it is okay for a game console manufacturer to get away with sheer robbery and not have to deal with their mistakes. anyway, check out gophermods for a reball, as they have a really good rep, but they are really new at reballing, so there is no accounts of them being good at it. hopefully they will be, because anybody else that has been discussed here that offers a reballing service for the ps3 has fallen short for one reason or another. what makes it sad is that people shouldn't have to resort to this in the first place, for what sony offers as a quality gaming system, but all too often you will find many people looking for means other than sony to fix the problem, because it is well documented that even sony can't fix it properly with their high repair cost.

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Aug 24, 2010

akesbi510 wrote:

So after 3 and a half years my 60 gig got YLOD. My mom is offering to buy the 160 gig slim for $300 but online I saw a reball, that apparently fixes it? But its like $140 plus shipping and handling and I have the extra money to burn for a slim.

 

But I want to know what a reball is


The other guys already explained what a reball is. Before you decide which way you want to go, let me throw this out there....

If you have no need for Ps2 backwards compatibility I say go with the brand new 160GB.

 

If PS2 backwards compatibility is important to you, then instead of paying 140+shipping to an independent company, you might as well send your 60GB to Sony for $149+ship. They will replace your YLOD system and send you back another 60GB model which will look cosmetically perfect on the outside (will even be shrinkwrapped!), but will be refurbished on the inside. You'll get a 90-day warranty on it.

 

If you go through Sony they will also offer you the chance of getting a refurb 120GB model for $119+ship instead of spending the $149 to replace your original 60GB. The refurb 120GB will also have a 90-day warranty.

 

If you have one of the independent companies do a reball on your original 60GB now and then it dies later, your Sony options are no longer options. So keep that in mind!

 

 

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Aug 24, 2010

 


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...... but still isn't perfect, since the motherboard itself might have started to warp.


What does it mean "started to warp"? What happen to the motherboard when that happen?

 

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