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Re: Working anywhere sucks now.

Nov 4, 2013

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rengle598 wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

rengle598 wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Setzaroth wrote:

rengle598 wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Setzaroth wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Setzaroth wrote:

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Or you get a government job...

 

LOL

 

Or you get a degree and go in higher up at a corporation...

 

Meh, not a guarantee anymore

 

Or you start a small business that does not compete with WalMart

 

Failure rate is extremely high regardless of Walmart

Voila.

 


The key to sucess, is doing what you like, and living within your means. Something "sucking" is a matter of perspective.


Failure rate of small business means very little. That is like a failure rate on a test. It just tells you that a lot failed. Not that the lot studied. Or, in this example, thought of and ran a good business. 

 

A government job is where it's at. Pension, job security, benefits, etc. 


My thoughts jumped to politician when you said government job, so I decided to troll it, but yes, you're right.

 

Small businesses failing though is a little bit more of an indication of risk similar to how many people failed a test. I think it applies. Restaurants in particular are notorious for having a high failure rate.


Restaurants only survive if they fill a demand. A new pizza place is less likely to live than a city's first Chinese food restaurant.


I beg to differ. Pizza > Chinese Food. That was a horrible example, now carry on with your debate.


No it was a good one. You like pizza more, thats fine. But thats an opinion. If a city is dominated by pizza places, and suddenly a decent Chinese restaurant comes in, it is almost guaranteed to survive... especially if it's americanized, which is what most of it is.


Exactly. And Rengle assumes that people do not buy both. I do not want pizza every night. I would love to change it up. And Chinese food fills that void.

 

(Sadly, I cannot eat pizza...Chinese food fills that void enough)


Don't make me change this into an argument about how pizza is the god of all food and that the majority of people prefer pizza to chinese food. Because I will, and it will be the only forum debate I will ever win. Don't taunt me bro.


But that is not my point. Regardless of the fact people like pizza more on average, people will not only eat pizza. People like variation in their meals, and Chinese food offers that. And opening a pizza place in a city full of them is not good unless you have a nice gimmick. The market is split between a ton of restaurants whereas the market for Chinese food is held by one restaurant. Who will survive?


First off, people COULD eat only pizza. There's no law against it and it is scientifically possible.

 

Secondly, if there is a single pizza place in a town full of chinese food, do you not think that people who are absolutely sick of chinese food will swap to pizza, as well as some people who just want a combination of both? If you open a pizza restraunt in a town full of chinese restraunts, the pizza restraunt is likely to do some of the other chinese restraunts out of business as a result of being something new and refreshing. Don't tell me you wouldn't give that pizza place a try if you lived there your whole life and rarely ever have anything other than chinese. You would at least try it once, and if you liked it, you would keep coming back.


You just proved our original point. GG


What was your original point? I just came for the pizza Smiley LOL

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Re: Working anywhere sucks now.

Nov 4, 2013

Setzaroth wrote:

rengle598 wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

rengle598 wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Setzaroth wrote:

rengle598 wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Setzaroth wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Setzaroth wrote:

bob-maul wrote:

Or you get a government job...

 

LOL

 

Or you get a degree and go in higher up at a corporation...

 

Meh, not a guarantee anymore

 

Or you start a small business that does not compete with WalMart

 

Failure rate is extremely high regardless of Walmart

Voila.

 


The key to sucess, is doing what you like, and living within your means. Something "sucking" is a matter of perspective.


Failure rate of small business means very little. That is like a failure rate on a test. It just tells you that a lot failed. Not that the lot studied. Or, in this example, thought of and ran a good business. 

 

A government job is where it's at. Pension, job security, benefits, etc. 


My thoughts jumped to politician when you said government job, so I decided to troll it, but yes, you're right.

 

Small businesses failing though is a little bit more of an indication of risk similar to how many people failed a test. I think it applies. Restaurants in particular are notorious for having a high failure rate.


Restaurants only survive if they fill a demand. A new pizza place is less likely to live than a city's first Chinese food restaurant.


I beg to differ. Pizza > Chinese Food. That was a horrible example, now carry on with your debate.


No it was a good one. You like pizza more, thats fine. But thats an opinion. If a city is dominated by pizza places, and suddenly a decent Chinese restaurant comes in, it is almost guaranteed to survive... especially if it's americanized, which is what most of it is.


Exactly. And Rengle assumes that people do not buy both. I do not want pizza every night. I would love to change it up. And Chinese food fills that void.

 

(Sadly, I cannot eat pizza...Chinese food fills that void enough)


Don't make me change this into an argument about how pizza is the god of all food and that the majority of people prefer pizza to chinese food. Because I will, and it will be the only forum debate I will ever win. Don't taunt me bro.


But that is not my point. Regardless of the fact people like pizza more on average, people will not only eat pizza. People like variation in their meals, and Chinese food offers that. And opening a pizza place in a city full of them is not good unless you have a nice gimmick. The market is split between a ton of restaurants whereas the market for Chinese food is held by one restaurant. Who will survive?


First off, people COULD eat only pizza. There's no law against it and it is scientifically possible.

 

Secondly, if there is a single pizza place in a town full of chinese food, do you not think that people who are absolutely sick of chinese food will swap to pizza, as well as some people who just want a combination of both? If you open a pizza restraunt in a town full of chinese restraunts, the pizza restraunt is likely to do some of the other chinese restraunts out of business as a result of being something new and refreshing. Don't tell me you wouldn't give that pizza place a try if you lived there your whole life and rarely ever have anything other than chinese. You would at least try it once, and if you liked it, you would keep coming back.


You just proved our original point. GG


Exactly. The only thing that makes opening a pizza place worse is how cheap and easy it is to make a pizza. Pizza ingredients are cheap and it requires less manpower than Chinese food. It makes it a lot easier to open one which allows competition to easily enter the market. 

 


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Step 1) Find city that doesn't have Chinese restaurant/buffet.

Step 2) Realize that it's a redneck town of rednecks.

Step 3) Abandon Chinese restaurant dream.

 

 

Setz mentioned the e-commerce thing, which really is the future of anything. Eating at home and shopping online are the rise while eating out and shopping brick and mortar are down.

 

Assuming that a disatisfying marketplace is the equivalent of bashing on capitalism (although in fairness capitalism really sucks, democratic socialism is a much safer investment from an altruistic standpoint - but the American public has such a negative reaction toward anything tied with socialism because it immediatly cues communism) just shows how ignorant half of the people on this forum really are.

 

Capitalism promotes dead end jobs and corporate thievery, a man doesn't earn the sweat on his brow and the day's labor is not all too satisfying unless you manage to get in with a decent union (take garbage men, for example). Otherwise duking it out for 10 hours a day in labor is likely to only net roughly $24k a year. Laziness and poverty are not correlated, so get that idea out of your head.

 

Although in regards to some laziness...I think everyone under 30 in America should work on a farm for one year shoveling pig and horse poop just to know what crap labor really is.

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The idea that a purely capitalist or command economy works well is flawed and I believe that a MIXED economy is the best type. A completely socialistic nation is not what I think is best, but socialist institutions can definitely help (copyright laws, for example)

 

Socialism is nice middle ground and the planet is full of nations on a spectrum. We are a mixed economy. We have socialistic policies to stop corporations from giving the people pennies for labor and from certain unfair business practices (Rockefeller, anyone?). 

 

The problem with democratic socialism is that people have a love-hate relationship when it is applied. They hate paying for it, but they love it if they have to use its institutions. When people can vote, they vote for themselves. Why do you think we have low taxes and a lot of spending on programs? People want as much as possible for as little as possible. Greece is an example of being unable to pay for anything. 

 

Some socialism is really good. Unions are nice for workers. Patents help urge innovation. And the government controlling key institutions help ensure people are not being screwed over (for example, my utilities are from a private company and I pay more than the neighboring cities). 

 

Laziness does correlate to poverty. Poverty may not be caused by laziness alone, but you cannot say that laziness lands you in a higher income bracket. Nor can you say working hard is not enough. It depends on where you focus your efforts. Pick a job market that needs people. Become a doctor. Or maybe a pathologist. Or engineering. You need to pick an occupation that needs workers. Construction is probably not the best in this housing market, so becoming a construction worker or architect may be rough until the economy picks up again.

 


The job market is like any other market in that it has a supply and demand curve. Go where the supply is low and the demand is high if you want a job. Look where shortages in labor occur.


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Re: Working anywhere sucks now.

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bob-maul wrote:

The idea that a purely capitalist or command economy works well is flawed and I believe that a MIXED economy is the best type. A completely socialistic nation is not what I think is best, but socialist institutions can definitely help (copyright laws, for example)

 

Socialism is nice middle ground and the planet is full of nations on a spectrum. We are a mixed economy. We have socialistic policies to stop corporations from giving the people pennies for labor and from certain unfair business practices (Rockefeller, anyone?). 

 

The problem with democratic socialism is that people have a love-hate relationship when it is applied. They hate paying for it, but they love it if they have to use its institutions. When people can vote, they vote for themselves. Why do you think we have low taxes and a lot of spending on programs? People want as much as possible for as little as possible. Greece is an example of being unable to pay for anything. 

 

Some socialism is really good. Unions are nice for workers. Patents help urge innovation. And the government controlling key institutions help ensure people are not being screwed over (for example, my utilities are from a private company and I pay more than the neighboring cities). 

 

Laziness does correlate to poverty. Poverty may not be caused by laziness alone, but you cannot say that laziness lands you in a higher income bracket. Nor can you say working hard is not enough. It depends on where you focus your efforts. Pick a job market that needs people. Become a doctor. Or maybe a pathologist. Or engineering. You need to pick an occupation that needs workers. Construction is probably not the best in this housing market, so becoming a construction worker or architect may be rough until the economy picks up again.

 


The job market is like any other market in that it has a supply and demand curve. Go where the supply is low and the demand is high if you want a job. Look where shortages in labor occur.


But when you get to the point of telling us what we can or cannot buy simply goes too far. China does that, not the USA.

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Not everyone is cut out for school. Some don't have the luxury to go to school. Work is work but d@mn is that what life is about work, work, work...die. Hopefully everyone can find something that they enjoy and make something out of it at least.

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bob-maul wrote:

 You need to pick an occupation that needs workers. Construction is probably not the best in this housing market, so becoming a construction worker or architect may be rough until the economy picks up again.

 


The job market is like any other market in that it has a supply and demand curve. Go where the supply is low and the demand is high if you want a job. Look where shortages in labor occur.


People don't change their interests and talents on a whim. You're an idiot if you think they do and you'll understand how **bleep** jobs are when you work at a job that you're "content" with and have little money left after bills. 60% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck is not dictation of people not following a supply-demand curve, especially when you consider that supply-demand economics is seriously undercutting the whole ordeal. Go figure though, you'd generalize anything to have a point.

 

The problem with supply and demand economics is that it has no place for outside man-made factors like greed, profit margins, exchange rates and service satisfaction. Please, for the love of all things good and true, be smarter than a fifth grader.

 

I can go into detail about any of the occupations you listed and why the supply-demand theory of employment is **bleep** and so is everything you say.

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KIoey wrote:

[insert something about corporate pigs].

 

Trade your humanity for a paycheck or trade your paycheck for a **bleep** life.

 

WTB more small business.

 

 


Well that's Capitalism and Capitalism is life in America. It's better than the alternatives. 

 

Anyone who loves what they do for a living is either lucky or stupid. Sometimes both. 


I got pretty lucky. I'm filing my two weeks notice this Tuesday because I got hired as a music instructor. Taking a cut on my paycheck but at least I'll enjoy the job more. Still though, 6 years of corporate slavery and nothing to show for it except finally being lucky enough to get a dream job. Such a shame.

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