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I remember hearing that the army would not support the first one that came out because they said that it was impossible for that to ever happen. I don't believe that this can happen. China is to far away to support supplying there advance and others as well. With todays tech they can been seen on the ocean much better then years ago. It would be very hard to hide such a fleet from detection. So I say no.If they did decide to come in force one big nuke in the middle of the ocean and scrap metal to the bottom of the ocean..lol
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There used to be a saying when someone would suggest such an idea;

 

 

"You've been watching too much television".

 

As for the citizens "being armed to teeth", the inherent flaw in that idea is that there's no organization. There's no way a bunch of yahoos with hunting rifles can ward off an invading army with no organization.


Except for that one time in WW2 when Japan tried to get in through Alaska and failed. Granted the cold had a lot to do with that, but they were also hesitant because of the large amount of weapons in the country.

 

 

 

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Setzaroth wrote:

CaptainAlbator wrote:

There used to be a saying when someone would suggest such an idea;

 

 

"You've been watching too much television".

 

As for the citizens "being armed to teeth", the inherent flaw in that idea is that there's no organization. There's no way a bunch of yahoos with hunting rifles can ward off an invading army with no organization.


Except for that one time in WW2 when Japan tried to get in through Alaska and failed. Granted the cold had a lot to do with that, but they wre also hesitant because of the large amount of weapons in the country.

 

 

 

http://hnn.us/article/150227


If you're referring to Attu, the Japanese had pulled their troops off that island, and a unit a US Army engineers were defending their out post there. It was the only other battle to take place on US soil, other than Pearl Harbor. And again, without organization, a bunch of yahoos in their basement hiding behind their ammo boxes are little match against a well trained and well equipped fighting force. And how do you keep people from organizing? Give them individual power.

 

And this guy preaching about the Second Amendent always leaves out, as everyone seems to conveniently do, the first four words "A well regulated militia..." being necessary to secure a free state.  It doesn't say anything about "To protect the citizenery from domestic tyranny". Washington and Madison did not want a standing army, because they felt it was one step away from a military dictatorship. So each state had a militia that could be called into service, which is exactly what happened during the Civil War. After that system became unreliable, because you could refuse to fight because you could declare that the federal government had no authority to make you, the National Guard was created in 1904.

 

They use this argument for one reason and one reason only; MONEY. The gun lobby knows if they can keep beating the drum that the brown guy is coming to take your guns, they'll sell more, and you'll donate money to them so they can buy lobbyists.

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I don't believe an invasion of U.S. soil is out of the realm of possibility, I don't think that an occupation would be likely. Our population is spread over a rather large area and the occupation forces supplies would need to travel great distances over the oceans. It would be tough, that is for sure.


Also, to Capt:

While I agree that an unorganized resistance would stand little chance against and well trained and equipped military force, there are somewhere around 1200 organized militias within the U.S.

Certainly they are not as well equipped or trained as a modern military force but many of their members have at least some amount of military training. In the event of an invasion, these militias would almost certainly be bolstered by a good amount of random "gun toting yahoos", which would give them at least some training and organization. I don't really know what chance they would stand alone against an occupying force but one should not underestimate the importance of having something to fight for and a superior knowledge of the land.


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Those guys who wear army surplus uniforms and play weekend warrior, waiting for the day that "the South will rise again"?  I would expect most of those guys would crap themselves if any actual shooting started, the others would just say "screw it", and go home. And I wouldn't doubt most of those so called "militias" are about seperating rubes from their money by selling them survival cabins and supplies to wait for society to collapse. If any of those guys were serious about protecting their country, they would have joined the actual military.

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Well, that is a quick and ignorant way to offhandedly dismiss a large group of Americans.

Good job.
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This did happen already..watch the flick and see..lol

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Well, that is a quick and ignorant way to offhandedly dismiss a large group of Americans.

Good job.

 

These militia members are not "patriots", many of them don't want to protect this country, they want to overthrow it. Why? Because they actually believe the brown man in the White House is a Kenyan socialist who wants to take everyone's guns, impose Sharia law, establish a one world currencey, and give everyone free health care. They want to go back to the days were African Americans were 3/5ths of a person, where women couldn't vote. All the while Glenn Beck wants them to invest in Goldine, and sell them "survival seeds" or as the rest of us call them SEEDS, and to buy a space at their citadel in Idaho.

 

The groups who actively train to overthrow the United States goverment you think can be counted on in a crisis? Please, that's a laugh.

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That is a really funny bit, for sure. Still, it is hardly fair to dismiss all militias based on a sampling of the worst. Not all militias are made up of right-wing racists bent on overthrowing the government.

 

But besides that, I honestly do believe that the ones who plot against the government could be counted on to fight against an invading force. I won't speculate how effective they would be, but if they hate and fear their own government that much, how do you think they would feel about an foreign government?

 

 

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Pretty much agree with CaptainAlbator. There are a lot of nut-jobs out there talk the talk just to be part of a group. However, there are also A LOT of disillusioned ex-military that is organized, and does not fit that stereotype.

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