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Re: The United States Constitution: 2nd Amendment

Apr 5, 2013

I do not like to ever compare current Leaders with any from the past.

 

This being said, it is always important to remember; those leaders of the past who found their way into the annuls of History, as nefarious and corrupt, did not start that way.  At least to the People who helped them get into power, they were heralded as Heroes and Saviors.

 

Charismatic, well spoken people with "new" and "revolutionary" ideals, play on the emotions of the masses.  They use words and ideas, to accumulate followers.  Once they have accumulated enough, they rise to power.  Only after it is too late do the People, if at all, recognize the great mistake that has been made.

 

I am not saying we will tailspin into a Police State within the next five, fifty or one hundred years.  I am not saying it would ever happen, but to allow Civil Liberties and Amendment Rights to be chipped away, is just a mistake.

 

Again, I implore anyone to look up the Enabling Act of 1932.  It was in Germany.  No one thought there would be ramifications of a Government, taken in majority by a single Party, with ideals to change a Nation into its own view of how it should be.  

 

Joseph Kennedy Sr. was actually very empathetic to the changes being made, and a staunch supporter of the National Socialist Movement of the Reichstag.  Kennedy was to actually seek nomination for President of the United States, but was left unable to run by his previous support of, you know who.  He left it upon his Sons to become President, after his less publicized disgrace.  Think of the ramifications, should the NAzis have been successful, and Joe Kennedy had actually become President.

 

There is actually a pretty good movie with Rutger Hauer (Yeah, I know, oxymoron), that addressed a scenario regarding a different outcome to WWII.  Fatherland, it is called.  Check out the synopsis for it, it is a very interesting take, and actually not that far fetched should the circumstances have been just right (or wrong in my opinion).

 

A government must never feel it has autonomous control over its People.  When this is the casethe People have no means to change what may be wrong, or defend themselves from tyranny.

 

 

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -T. Jefferson

 

From the man himself.:smileyhappy:

 

Tyranny in Government, not an outside threat.  That is why there is a provision for the Military, separate from the Second Amendment in the Constitution.

 

Even Military Personnel take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America; against enemies, foreign and domestic.  In essence, this gives the Military some discretion of its own, should the Governing Body decide to forgo the Constitution.

 

We are all free, but we are all accountable to the Constitution.

 

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I think Da_Almighty_Guy covered the "spirit" of it. Which made sense in that era and it's "true" intention. Today it doesn't have the same "essence" if you will; or circumstance. Which diminishes the privilege because it's about fear and consumption in this day and age.
See that's what gun lobbyist will have you believe. Because their constituents are funding their campaigns who in turn are manufactures of weapons. Then some politician will tell you it's your "obligation" as an American citizen to arm yourself and that's when it becomes perverse.

I'm pretty sure that very few people are thinking of a Red Dawn(1984 version) situation when they purchase a weapon. They're thinking about popping a cap in some mofo's a$$ when he breaks in their house and I'm fine with that scenario.

Look, I don't own a weapon. I don't even trust myself with one. I'm afraid I may make a mistake and take someone's life. That's just me. And it's not like I haven't thought about buying one. I lived in a city where I've seen NOTHING but illegal weapons and now living in Jersey I still don't really want one despite having REAL insight to the criminal element that exist today.


Actually I did purchase my AR and my Remmington 700 just in case the "Red Dawn" situation, whether from a foreign or fom our own government, ever did happen.   Most people whom I associate with that are gun owners also have at least one weapon in their collection for that situation. 

 

My Benelli M4 is for that poor soul who breaks into my house.  "Warning, Door is locked for YOUR protection"

 

Now my .22 I bought to shoot targets with (fun, accurate, cheap ammo).    

 

Then there is my "Daily driver" LC-9 which is in my pocket right now as I'm typing.

 

Lets not make assumptions about people's motives in the thread, let us talk more about the actual ammendment instead.  

 

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Re: The United States Constitution: 2nd Amendment

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This will give the 2nd Amendment new meaning. 
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Sorry, I couldn't resist! 


I find your implication offensive that gun owners want to go out and harm their fellow citizens.   There is so much wrong with what you just did there.   People who purchase defensive weapons legally aren't doing so in the hopes of having one day a year, or any day ever for that matter, that they actually have to shoot another human being.  

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I don't think our President is nearly as bad as any of those other people, that picture comparing the President of the United States to those mass murders is a bit insenstive in my opinion. 

 

HOWEVER, your picture does make a good point....each of those rulers did not have the ability to do what they did to their people until AFTER they took the guns away.

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If your boys' Holmes, Lanza, and others didn't do what they did.  We wouldn't be having this discussion about banning guns...

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Setzaroth wrote:

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I don't think our President is nearly as bad as any of those other people, that picture comparing the President of the United States to those mass murders is a bit insenstive in my opinion. 

 

HOWEVER, your picture does make a good point....each of those rulers did not have the ability to do what they did to their people until AFTER they took the guns away.


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If your boys' Holmes, Lanza, and others didn't do what they did.  We wouldn't be having this discussion about banning guns...


Those are not legal gun owners nor are any my boys, by the way that apostrophe implies ownership.

 

Would you like to participate in an actual discussion?   Here is a picture we could discuss if you want

 

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Wow, I was thinking just the opposite. Good reason to be armed in a crazy world was really my point. It was also meant for levity in this serious convo! It's funny how people interpret things. I thought most of my comments are mostly about non-violence and how it has much to do with gun control and the 2nd amendment. Oh well. I think I will back away from this discussion. 


Nah no need to back away.  It just came across wrong in light of a few of the other comments you had made in a post prior.

Its the internet, intent never translates well.   If you are joking, especially on a serious topic like this, just make sure you end it with something like   /joking  or use the unofficial sarcasm font, comic sans

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