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The only person openly defying ObamaCare is Obama himself. His Department of Health and Human Services declared it would delay the implementation of the business mandate, despite the fact nothing in the law empowers it to do so.  In addition many government workers now want waivers, I want a waiver too but I already was forced to change my plan and as a result my doctor even though the President promised me otherwise.  In the video in this link Obama has lied to my face  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LRcLMScEqo

 

And that's just the most egregious part. The administration has been issuing thousands of waivers, including to favored constituencies like big labor that donates millions to his and other democrat campagins, and exempting various parties (such as congressional staffers) from complying with the law because it turns out ObamaCare can't work as written. That conclusion isn't mine; it's the administration's. That's why, for instance, HHS and the IRS won't bother with verifying whether applicants for insurance subsidies are eligible under the law.

 

In short, Republicans are on the right side of the argument in every particular, save one: the effort to force the Democrats to defund ObamaCare by threatening a debt crisis or government shutdown. The Democrats will never agree to such a demand, and the resulting crisis would surely be blamed on Republicans.

 

There is a bizarre irony at work here. Both the right and left are convinced ObamaCare will eventually become popular if implemented. Conservatives fear the "ratchet effect," a term coined by the great libertarian economic historian Robert Higgs. Once government expands, goes the theory, reversing that expansion is nearly impossible. Liberals have their own version. They point out that once Americans get an entitlement, Social Security, Medicare, etc., they never want to lose it. They hope that if they can just get Americans hooked on the goodies in ObamaCare, they'll overlook all the flaws.

 

There's a lot of truth here, to be sure. But it's not an iron law either. Sometimes, bad laws get fixed. It happened with Medicare in 1989 and welfare reform in 1995. Many of the boneheaded laws of the early New Deal were scrapped as well.

 

Republicans should have a little more confidence in their own arguments. If you believe that ObamaCare can't work, you should expect that it won't. Forcing a debt crisis or government shutdown won't kill ObamaCare, but it will give Democrats a lifeline heading into the 2014 elections, which could have the perverse effect of delaying the day Republicans have the political clout to actually succeed in repealing this unworkable and unpopular law.

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DrGadget wrote:

hwhunt13 wrote:

taker-77 wrote:

hwhunt13 wrote:

The thing is, the politicians are working hard to strip you of all your constitutional rights. And they don't care about who's in what party.


 

Fixed that for you.

 

 

As for the waiver, is anyone really shocked by this? Frankly, I'm much more surprised that they forgot to add it into the original bill.


And as Nancy Pelosi said in 2010, "You have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"


The corrolary of that:

You have to de-fund it now that you actually know what's in it.

 

If it's the great utopian cure-all the liberals say it is, then why are all of them begging for an exemption?  The unions are particularly upset because they financed such a large share of both Obama campaigns and Obama doesn't want to give them an exemption.  After all SOMEBODY has to actually pay into this thing to give it the pretense of working properly.  Hardest hit will be the young (who can't find a job anyway, and precisely because of Obamacare) and the healthy.

 

Soon, the demand will be so great that all of these temporary waivers will need to be revoked.  Eventually even the best luxury suites on the Titanic become inadequate.

 


  its not as expensive as everyone make it be. $700 a yr.. rather than $700 every time you go.

Only reason they're fighting it is because these insurance companies  would actually have to pay more and  insure people the right way. alot of  congress guys have to go buy their own insurance no more free ride.

 

   If they would have stop jipping people and  lower  the price of health care other  than rake in the bucks a  long time ago . None of this would have happened.  I dont feel  sorry tthe one objecting. I been paying for own insrance and family doctor since i was 18 ,.

 

 All they do is rub  you and  bill you a huge amount of money..Its get tired after some time the game these insurance companies and hospitals plays,.   More people scared of the doctor bill than the diasnosis  lol.. sad but true.

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Nes_Daze wrote:

hwhunt13 wrote:

taker-77 wrote:

hwhunt13 wrote:

The thing is, the politicians are working hard to strip you of all your constitutional rights. And they don't care about who's in what party.


 

Fixed that for you.

 

 

As for the waiver, is anyone really shocked by this? Frankly, I'm much more surprised that they forgot to add it into the original bill.


I actually meant liberals. They are the ones who want to bring the end of America as we currently know it, while the republicans/conservatives are the ones who are trying their hardest to save the contitution from being dismantled while turning it into a socialist state as the liberals are trying to do.

Global warming/climate change is more of a means to redistribute wealth from the upper class to the third world class who has done nothing to earn the money from working than they would if they were working.

Remember how they were predicting that solar max would occur in May 2013? It hasn't happened yet. The Northern Hemisphere has already flipped, with new evidence that the southern is about to flip no more than 3-4 months from now. And nowhere does it say anything about what you heard from the predictions about the strength and scares of the May 2013 solar max.

 

Please read over the constitution, and understand that it's meant for the people, not the government. We went to war over a tax on tea. If any government official enters your house without any arrenst warrant, you have full right to shoot them. This is the real reason why we have the 2nd amendment. All that other **** that the liberals are trying to tell you are not true at all about the meaning of the second amendment.


Oh please. just stop, you actually believe everything you just wrote?? Conservatives are no better than liberals, ask yourself why the hell we had such a sway towards the democratic side after Bush. Politics is disgusting for this very reason. We actually have people trying to connect Billy's stolen bike to Obama and why he's the worst president that has ever existed. At the moment we have Fox News playing that clip of those three black kids beating up a white kid to take a hit at the other side of the media since that whole Zimmerman and Trayvon incident happened. How disgusting and childish is that??? Politics is disgusting, and I refuse to play into that little game. 

 

As for Obamacare, I don't really agree with it, I do think that health care should be improved but not in this way. I don't think Obama is this evil guy trying to take over America and make a new socialist party as all these crazy conervatives would love us to believe, he's just, well, an American president...lol


And Zimmerman saved a family of 4 trapped in a car after having experienced a rollover accident a week or 2 after being acquitted from the trial. 

 

Let me ask you this. How many promises has Obama kept from his time in the senate seat?

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I don't pay a lot of attention to politics. I find it's too much blaming (liberals this, conservatives that) and not enough solving. 

 

As for Obamacare, can't really say I have an opinion on it. My close friend relies on it for her chemotherapy treatments, which she otherwise couldn't afford without. And I'm for free healthcare in general. I'll support whatever effort brings us closer to that. I don't know if Obamacare is the right effort, but it's a step in the right direction.

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I don't pay a lot of attention to politics. I find it's too much blaming (liberals this, conservatives that) and not enough solving. 

 

As for Obamacare, can't really say I have an opinion on it. My close friend relies on it for her chemotherapy treatments, which she otherwise couldn't afford without. And I'm for free healthcare in general. I'll support whatever effort brings us closer to that. I don't know if Obamacare is the right effort, but it's a step in the right direction.


This. This. This.

 

Without Obamacare I'd have no insurance at all. I also think Healthcare should be free. If that makes me some crazy socialist hellbent on destroying America then so be it.

 

I voted for Obama twice. He's better than the alternatives. That's all I ask for. A lot of his problems comes from congress ignoring what the people voted for.

 

 

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Dr_McNoob wrote:

I don't pay a lot of attention to politics. I find it's too much blaming (liberals this, conservatives that) and not enough solving. 

 

As for Obamacare, can't really say I have an opinion on it. My close friend relies on it for her chemotherapy treatments, which she otherwise couldn't afford without. And I'm for free healthcare in general. I'll support whatever effort brings us closer to that. I don't know if Obamacare is the right effort, but it's a step in the right direction.


This. This. This.

 

Without Obamacare I'd have no insurance at all. I also think Healthcare should be free. If that makes me some crazy socialist hellbent on destroying America then so be it.

 

I voted for Obama twice. He's better than the alternatives. That's all I ask for. A lot of his problems comes from congress ignoring what the people voted for.

 

 


You crazy communist liberal socialist anti-america scum! Just kidding! Smiley Tongue

 

I'm not against Obamacare to be honest and think it's good that Americans should get healthcare. However, I'm against all these exemptions being given left and right and avoiding implementation of the actual law. What was the point in passing it if it's not going to be implemented fully? The answer is political points. Frankly that's all that politicians care about.

 

Because politicians only care about scoring political points, making money, and gaining more power they can't be trusted. So now that Obama has won re-election, his true face has come out. We have seen an increase of attacks in liberties and lack of action on his part and the part of congress. Am I saying this because he's a democrat or liberal? Absolutely not. The republicans and conservatives are just as guilty of attacking our liberties and doing nothing good which is depressing. We have a non-working government at the moment.

 

However, what I find more depressing is the belief in or some justification that the current president/congress is better than the alternative. I completely disagree and say that the alternative is a working congress and white house. Unfortunately we have been blinded to believe that we can only select from bad or worst in elections, when that is further from the truth. We have options, but it's up to us as a nation to rise up and choose those option instead of the ones being put in front of us by those already in power.

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It's not conservatives versus liberals, republicans versus democrats, or right versus wrong:

 

It's citizens versus government - has been for close to a century.  It doesn't matter what you have an issue with: if you want nothing to change, just keep arguing amongst yourselves. 

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While I'm not really all that keen on Obamacare, I am in favor of a free universal healthcare system and was very excited when Obama first entered office talking about how healthcare was a right, not a privilege, of the people.

I can still recall the Democratic Primary when Hillary was for Healthcare reform that involved everyone being required to have insurance and Obama was opposed to that idea. Then along come Obamacare, that requires everyone to obtain healthcare or face a penalty. That was quite disappointing.

Still, I believe that there is a bright side to Obamacare. If it truly turns out to be the colossal failure that some predict it to be then perhaps it will motivate both sides to come back to the table and figure out a better system.

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I actually meant liberals. They are the ones who want to bring the end of America as we currently know it, while the republicans/conservatives are the ones who are trying their hardest to save the contitution from being dismantled while turning it into a socialist state as the liberals are trying to do.

Global warming/climate change is more of a means to redistribute wealth from the upper class to the third world class who has done nothing to earn the money from working than they would if they were working.

Remember how they were predicting that solar max would occur in May 2013? It hasn't happened yet. The Northern Hemisphere has already flipped, with new evidence that the southern is about to flip no more than 3-4 months from now. And nowhere does it say anything about what you heard from the predictions about the strength and scares of the May 2013 solar max.

 

Please read over the constitution, and understand that it's meant for the people, not the government. We went to war over a tax on tea. If any government official enters your house without any arrenst warrant, you have full right to shoot them. This is the real reason why we have the 2nd amendment. All that other **** that the liberals are trying to tell you are not true at all about the meaning of the second amendment.


I couldn't stop laughing after I read this! 

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Grindhead_Jim wrote:

It's not conservatives versus liberals, republicans versus democrats, or right versus wrong:

 

It's citizens versus government - has been for close to a century.  It doesn't matter what you have an issue with: if you want nothing to change, just keep arguing amongst yourselves. 


Jim gets it.   The 2 party system only serves as a tool for those in govt with power to keep us divided as citizens.  Divide and conquor, oldest strategy ever.  

 

 

This is why I get so amped up when I see changes to our liberties as guaranteed by the consitition and overreaches by the federal government past the limits the document puts on it.   Each time they do this the govt gets a little more power and control and we get a little less liberty and wealth as citizens.  At some point those of us who produce and pay attention are going to just "Shrug"...you never know, maybe I AM John Galt Smiley Wink.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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