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Re: Is Disney going to ruin Star Wars?

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the_original_se wrote:

CptKirby wrote:

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....second Star Trek was nearly a flop.


What?

 

Budget: $190 million

Box office: $467,365,246


thats why i said NEARLY a flop.

2013 was a horrible year for movies. most of which wound up doing better overseas than demestic. the movie failed to reach all projections, even with the increase income from IMAX and 3D ticket sales.

also, thats just the movie budget. theres a lot more money involved thats not listed, mainly the cash they spent on PR, and the PR for the movie overseas was pretty heavy. wouldnt be surprised if the total cost of the film was $200-$210million


I was always under the assumtion that the budget of a films included ads and PR.

 

And a 250% profit margin is hardly a flop.


the budget usually does include ad and pr, it sounds like he's trying to downplay the movie because he didn't like it. it might not be Frozen but it's certainly not bad.

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Re: Is Disney going to ruin Star Wars?

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ReleaseDate Movie Opening Day OpeningWeekend OpeningTheaters Gross on FirstRelease Total US Gross Worldwide Gross

5/25/1977A New Hope$254,809$1,554,47543$215,537,332$460,998,007$797,900,000
5/21/1980The Empire Strikes Back$1,333,305$4,910,483126$145,893,923$290,271,960$534,200,000
5/25/1983Return of the Jedi$6,219,629$23,019,6181,002$252,452,593$309,205,079$572,700,000
5/19/1999The Phantom Menace$28,542,349$64,810,9702,970$431,088,297$431,088,297$925,600,000
5/16/2002Attack of the Clones$30,141,417$80,027,8143,161$302,181,125$302,181,125$648,200,000
5/19/2005Revenge of the Sith$50,013,859$108,435,8413,661$375,876,648$375,876,648$783,680,000

 

 

Looks like the prequel Star Wars were a success too?

 

(once again, I enjoyed the prequels for the most part, maybe excluding Jar Jar, and the terrible performances of Anakin.)


not as much. $700 million in 1977 was worth a lot more than $700 million in 2005.

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hannah-goes-rawr wrote:

CptKirby wrote:

the_original_se wrote:

CptKirby wrote:

the_original_se wrote:

....second Star Trek was nearly a flop.


What?

 

Budget: $190 million

Box office: $467,365,246


thats why i said NEARLY a flop.

2013 was a horrible year for movies. most of which wound up doing better overseas than demestic. the movie failed to reach all projections, even with the increase income from IMAX and 3D ticket sales.

also, thats just the movie budget. theres a lot more money involved thats not listed, mainly the cash they spent on PR, and the PR for the movie overseas was pretty heavy. wouldnt be surprised if the total cost of the film was $200-$210million


I was always under the assumtion that the budget of a films included ads and PR.

 

And a 250% profit margin is hardly a flop.


the budget usually does include ad and pr, it sounds like he's trying to downplay the movie because he didn't like it. it might not be Frozen but it's certainly not bad.


budget usually does, however movie studios have been notoriously know to leave out many aspects of the budget to show the net profits of movies being higher. look up the incident with Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix.

and besides, Kirby is just going by the production budget numbers from boxofficmojo.com which are production budget numbers, as in the cost it took to produce the movie.

i dont want to get into a big thing here, this is the last i will comment on this.


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Disney makes **bleep** fantastic movies. If anything they would actually save the franchise.

Just u watch I got high hopes for it. 8]
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Well, Disney didn't too well with their last major sci-fi outing - anyone here actually remember John Carter?

 

and while JJ Abrams did churn out some enjoyable visuals and action setpieces with his Star Trek movies, they didn't function well in terms of the actual Star Trek stuff.

 

but hey

 

maybe Disney and JJ can catch lighting in a bottle this time around

 

and besides...

 

the new movies couldn't possibly be as bad as some of the other stuff the SW licence may have cooking up right now...

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I actually don't know if this is before or after Disney took over
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Well, Disney didn't too well with their last major sci-fi outing - anyone here actually remember John Carter?

 

and while JJ Abrams did churn out some enjoyable visuals and action setpieces with his Star Trek movies, they didn't function well in terms of the actual Star Trek stuff.

 

but hey

 

maybe Disney and JJ can catch lighting in a bottle this time around

 

and besides...

 

the new movies couldn't possibly be as bad as some of the other stuff the SW licence may have cooking up right now...

Spoiler
I actually don't know if this is before or after Disney took over

where the heck did you find that? lol

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George Lucas already ruined Star Wars with those horrible prequels.  Disney will un-ruin Star Wars.  I'm betting that these will be the best SW movies ever.  Possibly the best movies ever.

 

Disney is going to rock it out.

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CaptainAlbator wrote:

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lucas already butcherd his auidence with the prequel trilogy And JJ has really jeopordized Star trek with that Alternate timeline Khan B.S


I don't know if you're aware of this, but Star Trek was dead in the water until J. J. Abrams made that first movie. I think Activision had at one time sued Paramount for letting the franchise stagnate. Abrams made Star Trek cool, and made it acceptable to like as a mainstream movie. Those Star Trek movies were pretty much test reels for Star Wars.

 

As for "ruining Star Wars', I wouldn't worry about that too much. George Lucas damaged the brand enough on his own by casting Hayden Christensen.


idk alternative timeline Sci fi always comes off as lazy writing and Into darkness came off as a total rip off of Wrath of khan, JJ seems to be turning it into a visceral series witch star trek has never been Star trek is supposed to be more intellectual Seriously i have never seen that many lens flares 

Star-Trek-2009-Lens-Flare.jpg


 

Well, would you rather have an 80 year old Captain Kirk played by William Shatner in Star Trek Episode 30: The Search for Relevance? Star Trek was a stagnating brand. Enterprise had been canceled due low ratings a number of years before. No series other than the original, had been canceled. Voyager wasn't strong enough to make movies around, and Paramount had shot their load with the Next Generation cast. They had no choice but to reivent the series.  Even though it was a rip off of Wrath of Khan (and one of the worst kept secrets as far as plot twists goes), Into Darkness was still better than most of the Star Trek output over the last number of series.

 

There's nothing wrong with Star Trek finding a mainstream audience and presenting itself as a more modern series. In case you haven't noticed, Star Trek became a punch line of sorts. It needed to be overhauled, and a more modern look to stay relevant.

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I-Like-Pie45 wrote:

Well, Disney didn't too well with their last major sci-fi outing - anyone here actually remember John Carter?

 

and while JJ Abrams did churn out some enjoyable visuals and action setpieces with his Star Trek movies, they didn't function well in terms of the actual Star Trek stuff.

 

but hey

 

maybe Disney and JJ can catch lighting in a bottle this time around

 

and besides...

 

the new movies couldn't possibly be as bad as some of the other stuff the SW licence may have cooking up right now...

Spoiler
I actually don't know if this is before or after Disney took over

That's becausse the series needed to be reinvented because it had grown stale. Yes, you're going to **bleep** off the more stalwart fans, however what they've gained is keeping the series relevant for quite some time to come.

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John Carter was just something else. I know people like to point to marketing as a huge part of it's failure and the name not really getting what the movie was about across ("Of Mars" I think was tossed around to be added onto it like the source material).

Disney should be fine however with Star Wars given it's weight and they're going to let Marvel kick off the sci-fi branch of the MCU with Guardians of the Galaxy but I think both of those may be exceptions after the John Carter disaster. Star Wars being Star Wars as mentioned and Disney wanting to make use of their recent big acquisition and I'm sure Guardians even being greenlit is because of the success of Avengers and how well the standalone movies do so being tied into that gives them some assurance on that front and they don't have to worry about Marvel's marketing.

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