the_original_se wrote:
Crimson_Ryan wrote:To break up the bromance rage fest here, I'm not sure if any of you saw Ryan Payton on NeoGAF talking about MGS4 being a huge mistake and how they should have known that you can't answer every possible question in one game and that's the reason it was as bad as it was; they were trying to do so much.
wasnt he responsible for some of those "mistakes"?
either way, screw him, he works for MS now.
He was working for 343i but he left before Halo 4 was announced I think. So he's not there anymore. He opened his own studio that had a kickstarter I think I for an iOS/PC game (originally iOS only but added in PC when I think he wasn't going to hit his goal or something).
SlashZaku wrote:
the_original_se wrote:
Crimson_Ryan wrote:To break up the bromance rage fest here, I'm not sure if any of you saw Ryan Payton on NeoGAF talking about MGS4 being a huge mistake and how they should have known that you can't answer every possible question in one game and that's the reason it was as bad as it was; they were trying to do so much.
wasnt he responsible for some of those "mistakes"?
either way, screw him, he works for MS now.
He was working for 343i but he left before Halo 4 was announced I think. So he's not there anymore. He opened his own studio that had a kickstarter I think I for an iOS/PC game (originally iOS only but added in PC when I think he wasn't going to hit his goal or something).
Wasn't he working with that indie studio for an iOS/Android stealth game? I remember reading something about it, an indoor-sneaking stealth game.
WillyMGS wrote:
SlashZaku wrote:
the_original_se wrote:
Crimson_Ryan wrote:To break up the bromance rage fest here, I'm not sure if any of you saw Ryan Payton on NeoGAF talking about MGS4 being a huge mistake and how they should have known that you can't answer every possible question in one game and that's the reason it was as bad as it was; they were trying to do so much.
wasnt he responsible for some of those "mistakes"?
either way, screw him, he works for MS now.
He was working for 343i but he left before Halo 4 was announced I think. So he's not there anymore. He opened his own studio that had a kickstarter I think I for an iOS/PC game (originally iOS only but added in PC when I think he wasn't going to hit his goal or something).
Wasn't he working with that indie studio for an iOS/Android stealth game? I remember reading something about it, an indoor-sneaking stealth game.
The indie studio is his own called 'Camouflaj' and the iOS/PC/Mac title you talk about is called 'Republique'. He had to kickstart it. He apparently saw some friend of his doing their own project and that's what made him leave 343i and want to do his own thing.
the_original_se wrote:
VR_F0X wrote:
the_original_se wrote:you were slamming on PW for the characters, but that games characters were the most developed ones since MGS3.you cant honestly say that MPO or MGS4 had better characters? destroying existing characters, token black guys, enemies with tacked on pasts. the only character in PW that was lame was Cecile, and thats only because no one cared about her. Coldman was pretty lame also.
and the story for PW was good. MGS4 was a cluster**bleep**. MPO's was mediocre.
**bleep**. you hate him, we all know it.
PO had better characters, they actually had some originality and personality to them. One of the worst things about PO is the inclusion of Null and Sokolov, but other than that the characters are better.
I am not saying that any of them are particularly good, I don't really enjoy either, I just think that PO is a better MGS game than PW.
It is **bleep** characters with tacked on pasts and token blacks guys when MGS3 had both of those. The worst thing about MGS4 is that the characters just regressed, but MGS4 did it's job and tie up all the loose ends, we might not like them, but it actual lead somewhere. Then again that looks like even that might come undone if Kojima is going to carry on with Solid Snake.
I don't hate Big Boss, I just find him boring. We **bleep** with the same passion that Ocelot does, so maybe you are just biased and can't see the flaws in his saga of games.
WAT? PO had better characters than PW? the had originality and personality?
but at least MGS3's bosses were good and most had decent back stories(The End, The Sorrow). MGS4's were horrible. its like they spent to much time on their appearance and forgot to write story and even decent dialog for them.
**bleep** makes you biased and you see everything about him as being flawed.
Gene, Python, Cunningham, the "Twins" are all far better than anyone in PW. Even that Colonel Skowroski who was in the game for like 2 minutes was a better crafted character.
The bosses in MGS3, mainly the Cobra Unit, had next to no backstory. The Boss and The Sorrow are the only ones that had any real backstory.
Not even going to mention Big Boss because you are clearly so attached to his character that you are going to be biased to anything I have to say about it.
Random **bleep**s turning up out of nowhere. 
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