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Community Tier List Discussion Thread-Spears

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All topics and discussions regarding testing and placement of spears should be posted head. Remember key factors to consider are Specials, combos, stats, and the weapons overall usefullness. The Tiers themselves Are S-D With S rank being considered overpowered. We're using a 5 point scaling system for each category. and the average of the numbers should help with placement. Please keep discussions civil and have fun!
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Re: Community Tier List Discussion Thread-Spears

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Lance of Ares by mrvlrdr101

Specials: 1

Neither special is all that amazing. Even as a support weapon this lance fails compared to other weapon. The light special is slow and burns enemies but unlike Poseidon does not shield allies. Slow > Burn in almost every situation. The only appeal to it is in countering Demigods or knocking enemies off cliffs. The heavy does decent damage and provides a PD Buff to allies near you. However it requires them to stay close and does not last. Implementing the buff itself is situation seeing as its your only special that you can combo into and you'll be using it more often for that. Cooldowns are quick which is great and the only thing keeling it from being lower

Combos 1: combos are very limited with this thing. Unlike the LOP the heavy specials does not bounce enemies that or for that long. Grappling after is not easy and with that being the only one of the two you can combo into it limits it's potential. If the nerf is reversed it might go up a tier...maybe.

Stats 3: 3PA and 10 EA is great for a support weapon especially one that's class is focused more on the physical side. Run this with chimera and fury armor and you are set.

Overall usefulness: 1 this is not an easy weapon to use especially after they nerfed spears. As an Ares class support weapon it's heavily outclassed by the Blade of Athena which can heal and ravage teams. This doesn't. Sadly enough Wall of Flames does a better job at providing PA buffs to allies and you don't have to shadow them to keep it. Max this and move on.

D-Tiet and just barely at that.


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Re: Community Tier List Discussion Thread-Spears

Jun 9, 2013

hey hey spear user checking in personally id put the lance of Ares at a solid D tier bordering on C especially if youre running full fury set

 

first of all for overall use if you know how to work the normall spear move set then you can rock just about any spear with no combos needed and this is one weapon in particular where that shines once burn is applied with the furry armor still providing good PA the burn damage coupled with just a few hits or a hold square is enough for most enemies so say you go flame thrower into a few hits into a ring of fire then grapple that should take down tougher enemies

 

as for the specials they dont rate well in the support department if thats what youre looking for youre better off with slow in every case or even the hades lance bubble of doom but they are great as situationall attacks with both having knock back effects they are excelent for ring outs or knocking enemies into traps such as the meat grinders on labrinth 

 

with combos the only thing i can say is that the heavy special makes for a good finisher but youre not going to really get any fantastic 100% combos out of this spear or at least i havent 

 

i rolled with this weapon for a significant amount of time on my ares rivaled only by my beloved centaur spear and yes my ares is 40 so that is quite a bit of play time as always though all opinions welcome Smiley Happy

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Jun 9, 2013

I'm assuming we are using this format now: D=1-4   C=5-8   B=9-12   A=13-16   S=17-20

I'll have my input on spears when the Lance of Hades is in discussion.

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Jun 9, 2013
The Lance functions quite well in 2v2 where it's buff can actually be put to good use. Especially alongside Poseidon and Zeus. Smaller arena means enemies can't escape and allies stay close by easier. I still think it's low tier but not nearly as useless as I first thought.
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Lance of Ares - I MAY have used this weapon more than anyone else for awhile. Ran it exclusively for a long time for an added challenge cuz, yes, this weapon sucks compared to most others lol

 

Specials - 2/5 - While on paper the L1+/\ SEEMS to be a decent move, it's slow to initite EVEN WHEN JUMPING which is rare for any L1+/\ attack. The burn damage it applies is effective with a high Elemental Power build (like Fury armor) but it has NO range and its knockback effects can be easily avoided. You CAN time it after a launch but you'll also have to aim for the burn to take effect and it has extremely low base damage without the burn. The attack buffs it applies are barely noticeable and last for (I think) 3 seconds if your teammates stray too far...and by too far I mean like 2 meters away from you lol. L1+[] is slow to bust out and is easily hopped over so rarely useful. If not for the burn damage, this weapon would get a 1/5. But I am being generous. Even WITH the burn damage, it might deserve a 1.

 

Combos - 1/5 - One of the main reasons that this weapon is not for the feint of heart, neither special can be reliably combo'd into or out of. The launch that L1+/\ provides is minimal and you can't really even grapple off of it most of the time. L1+[] has knockback but such slow speed that no followup or preliminary attack is possible.

 

Stats - 3/5 - Yup...middle of the road stats. Great for an ELemental build, though.

 

Usefulness/Ease of Use - 1/5 - It's just a fun weapon to use if you need to challenge yourself against other players. No bonus points for that Smiley Tongue It's also incredibly difficult to get the timing and range felt out and once they ARE mastered, they are hardly effective against moderate to good players. It's support ability is a joke compared to other support weapons.

 

Total - 7/20 - And perhaps a generous 7. I do like the weapon so I may have given it a bit of love on the specials rating but it's one of the worst weapons in the game, for sure. No versatility. The only thing it's good for is those specials, once you learn the timing, CAN be quite useful to mix up your attacks on people but even then a skilled player can easily avoid them, almost at will. Use the Lance of Ares to confuse opponents...cuz NOBODY uses this weapon so it's easy to catch someone off-guard with it's rather unique specials.

 

D-Tier.

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Jun 9, 2013
Lance of Ares: I've got a bad habit of liking low tier weapons and this is one of them for sure.

Specials: 1.5/5. L1+S is stupidly slow and L1+T is almost as slow as Zeus' L1+T (which take forever to initiate). Burn damage is nice but Cerberus Blade is a better option.

Combos: 1/5. Almost non existent outside of the generic spear ones.

Stats: 3/5. Any weapon that has 3 categories of that's get at least a 3 from me.

Usefulness/Ease of use: 1/5. Not the easiest weapon to use, if not the hardest. Ares, imo, is wasted as a support player. Ares with the lance will not have a whole lot of attack power because it would be smart to focus on elemental stats. Even then it can be challenging to get the burn hits on the opponent when the specials are slow.

Total - 6.5/20. C Tier according to the legend but I'd put it D Tier.


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Jun 9, 2013

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Total - 6.5/20. C Tier according to the legend but I'd put it D Tier.

Right...4 is the lowest possible score so I am thinking 4-7 or 4-8 should be considered D-tier. At least in my own legend, I won't score anything lower than a 1 and can't think of ANY weapons that would score 1s across the board.

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Re: Community Tier List Discussion Thread-Spears

Jun 9, 2013

SirCrush wrote:

DaBeast151 wrote:

Total - 6.5/20. C Tier according to the legend but I'd put it D Tier.

Right...4 is the lowest possible score so I am thinking 4-7 or 4-8 should be considered D-tier. At least in my own legend, I won't score anything lower than a 1 and can't think of ANY weapons that would score 1s across the board.


the hermes spear comes to mind XD

 

hard to use....bad stats.....no combos.... ugh nothing going for this weapon....even has awful specials lol

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Re: Community Tier List Discussion Thread-Spears

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SirCrush wrote:

DaBeast151 wrote:

Total - 6.5/20. C Tier according to the legend but I'd put it D Tier.

Right...4 is the lowest possible score so I am thinking 4-7 or 4-8 should be considered D-tier. At least in my own legend, I won't score anything lower than a 1 and can't think of ANY weapons that would score 1s across the board.


You guys make a good point, how about: D=4-7   C=8-11   B=12-14  A=15-17 S=18-20?  It allows more lower class weapons to fit into D and C while B to S allows for minor flaws to affect its position.

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