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Re: Quotes from the Masters of Game Development

Feb 20, 2010


Aeternitas33 wrote:

I just found his (GZay2Stay) 4.0 review of FF XIII. Several sections are worth quoting:

 


"FFXIII is an interactive movie with RPG elements. This is not a video game and it doesn't even try to pretend it is one. It is unashamedly a CGI movie with a stylish battle system and pretty character growth system tacked on. Summing up the game is really that simple."

 

Product Development Division - 1 has even axed the towns, shops, conversable NPCs, side-quests and other JRPG staples. Sorry, but I need to repeat this so really it hits home:

- No towns.
- No shops.
- No conversable NPCs.
- No side-quests.
- No mini-games.
- No airship.
- No world map.

 

The bottom line is simple: If you're buying looking for the sexiest and most beautiful looking interactive movie ever made then buy this without hesitation. However, If you're looking for a RPG with more than just pretty graphics and instead with good RPG game design and interactive storytelling then you should avoid it.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasy13/player_review.html?id=704901

 

 

And I just have to repeat the quote from Yuji Horii as well.

 

"The most important part of a RPG is the player feeling like they are taking the role of a character in a fully realised fantasy world. They can explore, visit various towns and places, talk to people, customise their character, collect various items, and defeat monsters. The story is not the focus of the experience and is only there to make the atmosphere of the fantasy world more interesting and engaging during the course of the game." ~ Yuji Horii (Creator of the JRPG genre. Supervisor: Chrono Trigger)

 

And if anyone here hasn't played Chrono Trigger yet, it was released as part of the FF Anthonlogy with FF IV. Go play it, now, and then if you play FF XIII afterwards you'll understand what a pathetic joke it is to call FF XIII an RPG. 



While i haven't played the game i have read a lot about it and i couldn't help responding to this. 
 
- No towns. while i do like towns because they break up a game a bit this means FF13 will have a faster pace to it. i mean who has time to look around town when your lives are in danger right?
- No shops. actually iv heard that you do all your shopping from save points. kinda like ordering stuff over the internet and getting it delivered right away. :smileysurprised:
- No conversable NPCs. = no boring people 95% of whome say a random sentence or two totally unrealated to anything.
- No side-quests. true but there are 60 or so bonus missions to do at the end of the game. They may not have stories to them but at least you get some rare items at the end right?
- No mini-games. if your that desperate for mini games pause the game every hour or so, get on the internet and play the thousands of mini-games that are already on there, im sure there are some ff based ones too.
- No airship. wow.
- No world map. no, but i have seen maps for separate areas and for Gran Pulse, the open area towards the end of the game.
 
Im not denying that i would have liked to see these things in the game but it's not all doom and gloom like people are trying to make it out to be. There might be a bit less icing on the cake but that doesn't change the fact that you've got a big delicious cake just waiting to be eaten underneath it. mmm cake..:smileyvery-happy:
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Re: Quotes from the Masters of Game Development

Feb 20, 2010

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Aeternitas33 wrote:

I just found his (GZay2Stay) 4.0 review of FF XIII. Several sections are worth quoting:

 


"FFXIII is an interactive movie with RPG elements. This is not a video game and it doesn't even try to pretend it is one. It is unashamedly a CGI movie with a stylish battle system and pretty character growth system tacked on. Summing up the game is really that simple."

 

Product Development Division - 1 has even axed the towns, shops, conversable NPCs, side-quests and other JRPG staples. Sorry, but I need to repeat this so really it hits home:

- No towns.
- No shops.
- No conversable NPCs.
- No side-quests.
- No mini-games.
- No airship.
- No world map.

 

The bottom line is simple: If you're buying looking for the sexiest and most beautiful looking interactive movie ever made then buy this without hesitation. However, If you're looking for a RPG with more than just pretty graphics and instead with good RPG game design and interactive storytelling then you should avoid it.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasy13/player_review.html?id=704901

 

 

And I just have to repeat the quote from Yuji Horii as well.

 

"The most important part of a RPG is the player feeling like they are taking the role of a character in a fully realised fantasy world. They can explore, visit various towns and places, talk to people, customise their character, collect various items, and defeat monsters. The story is not the focus of the experience and is only there to make the atmosphere of the fantasy world more interesting and engaging during the course of the game." ~ Yuji Horii (Creator of the JRPG genre. Supervisor: Chrono Trigger)

 

And if anyone here hasn't played Chrono Trigger yet, it was released as part of the FF Anthonlogy with FF IV. Go play it, now, and then if you play FF XIII afterwards you'll understand what a pathetic joke it is to call FF XIII an RPG. 



While i haven't played the game i have read a lot about it and i couldn't help responding to this. 
 
- No towns. while i do like towns because they break up a game a bit this means FF13 will have a faster pace to it. i mean who has time to look around town when your lives are in danger right? FF VI did it, considered by many to be the best FF ever. 
- No shops. actually iv heard that you do all your shopping from save points. kinda like ordering stuff over the internet and getting it delivered right away. :smileysurprised:  Can you say "breaks immersion?"
- No conversable NPCs. = no boring people 95% of whome say a random sentence or two totally unrealated to anything. FF VIII, NPCs often have useful info to help you through the game play or lead you onto side quests.
- No side-quests. true but there are 60 or so bonus missions to do at the end of the game. They may not have stories to them but at least you get some rare items at the end right? Who cares? They're not part of the game. They were just tacked on at the end. 
- No mini-games. if your that desperate for mini games pause the game every hour or so, get on the internet and play the thousands of mini-games that are already on there, im sure there are some ff based ones too. I heard FF X-2 might have a few mini-games...
- No airship. wow. Yeah, who needs exploration in an RPG? 
- No world map. no, but i have seen maps for separate areas and for Gran Pulse, the open area towards the end of the game. Again, who needs exploration in an RPG? Oh, that's right, it's not an RPG, it's an interactive FPS movie. I'm glad you agree with me. 

Im not denying that i would have liked to see these things in the game but it's not all doom and gloom like people are trying to make it out to be. There might be a bit less icing on the cake but that doesn't change the fact that you've got a big delicious cake just waiting to be eaten underneath it. mmm cake..:smileyvery-happy: Wrong. There's no cake. There's no beef. There's no gameplay. Just a bunch of cut scenes thrown over a battle system. 

 

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ya know i really don't get you Aeternitas. obviously you've filled your head with every little negative aspect of this game and ridiculously blown them out of proportion. it doesnt matter if game is fun or amazing or beautiful you will probably not enjoy it because of all your pessimism and because you've made your opinion based on what others have said. and that's your loss.

 

but now you seem hellbent on trying to make everybody else see the game as badly as you do and ultimately trying to make the game less enjoyable for others. it seems extremely selfish to me. would you be happy if everybody said that this is a horrible game like you do. what would be the point of that?

 

having discussion is fine, its actually the main purpose of these forums but i think we should all just leave all this talk about "this game is good" or "this game is bad" until after we have acually experienced and made those decisions for ourselves. please Aeternitas just stop with all the negativity and if you cant, get outta here cause i'm really getting sick of you. end rant.

 

 

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Feb 21, 2010

You know it goes both ways as well.  I'm sick of seeing people (espeically people like hakunamono from GFAQ's) hyping up the game making it turn out to be something different when in fact it's not.  This guy keeps saying there are towns (even though the developer himself said there weren't any).  What's worse is that this guy has actually played and completed the game. 

 

Even though Aeternitas hasn't played it and is focusing on the negative aspects of the game design, he at least is focusing and has accepted the game for what it is.  That's a hell of a lot better (and honest too) than people like hakunamono

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darkice5647 wrote:

ya know i really don't get you Aeternitas. obviously you've filled your head with every little negative aspect of this game and ridiculously blown them out of proportion. it doesnt matter if game is fun or amazing or beautiful you will probably not enjoy it because of all your pessimism and because you've made your opinion based on what others have said. and that's your loss.

 

but now you seem hellbent on trying to make everybody else see the game as badly as you do and ultimately trying to make the game less enjoyable for others. it seems extremely selfish to me. would you be happy if everybody said that this is a horrible game like you do. what would be the point of that?

 

having discussion is fine, its actually the main purpose of these forums but i think we should all just leave all this talk about "this game is good" or "this game is bad" until after we have acually experienced and made those decisions for ourselves. please Aeternitas just stop with all the negativity and if you cant, get outta here cause i'm really getting sick of you. end rant.


Ever hear of truth in advertising? What I can't understand is why this so-called game even carries the name of Final Fantasy. It's bad enough that it's being called an RPG. 

 

And really, I had no idea I was so powerful. There are people on these forums calling FF XIII the greatest FF ever - even though they haven't even played it yet - and that's ok. But apparently no one is allowed to disagree with them, especially me, because my opinion is so powerful that I can single-handedly make the best RPG ever made into a bad game. 

 

If you don't like reading my posts, then don't read them. You think I'm alone? You think that in 18 days these forums aren't going to be filled with people who don't like this game? Are you going to tell them to leave too?

 

Grow up. 

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sigh, i can understand why you dont like this game and im fine with you having your own opinion, even if you have made up your mind without even trying the game. and i know that there will be some people that dont like the game after they play it, im not stupid. and it will be good because after the game comes out we can actually have some real discussions.

 

but look i give up. say what you want. i feel sorry for you because no matter if the game is good or bad you've already jumped to the conclusion that its horrible.

 

i think i will enjoy the game becasue i pretty sure none of the negative aspects that people have stated will bother me. mabye the game is a bit less rpg and a bit more action but i dont mind, its something different.

 

im not even gonna bother arguing any more, im just gonna play the game and enjoy it for all its good parts ignoring the things that could have been in the game.

 

 

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